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Table Games Current Downtown Blackjack Conditions?

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by topcard, Feb 19, 2013.

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  1. topcard

    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    I'll be there in a couple of weeks and was hoping some of y'all could provide an update as to downtown blackjack...

    First - has anyone played in the Golden Gate's "high limit salon"? If so, what is the two-deck minimum for weekday, afternoon play?

    Is the Plaza still dealing a 2-deck shoe game with DAS? Has LVC restored it's 2-deck shoe with DAS?

    Does Golden Gate still permit late surrender on it's shoe & CSM games? RSA?

    Thanks, in advance, for any insights y'all provide!
     
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    Drambler High-Roller

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    I can't answer all your questions but when I was there a few months ago, the Golden Gate double deck game wasn't open during the day. It only started up when the dancing dealers hit the floor. This may have changed since I've been there though.
     
  3. Big Tip

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    I will report on the one thing that shocked me last week while playing a double deck game at MSS. There was no doubling after a split allowed. They had one shoe game too, and they didn't allow it there either.
    I thought it was almost as shocking as a 6/5 blackjack, even though I know it is not. Sure you give up some advantage to the house with that no DAS bad rule, but more importantly to me, you give up the chance for those thrilling four, or six, or even eight bets that you can get out on those double then split hands.

    We were just at Suncoast in December and they allowed DAS. They are a Boyd property like MSS, so that added to my dismay.
     
  4. DonnyC

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    Don't almost all casinos offer DAS?
     
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    Once you go down to 1-2 decks, you can see some very strange rules. I can't remember a 6+ deck game where I've seen no DAS.
     
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    Exactly. That's why I was so shocked at this new thing. And at a Boyd property on top of that.
     
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    Interestingly, at the Coast casinos (Orleans, Gold Coast, and Suncoast), DDAS is standard, as well as being permitted to play two hands at the minimum table limit. They're part of the same Boyd/Coast family. Go figure!
     
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    Go figure for sure because at the very no DAS table, they allowed playing two hands, the second hand for LESS of an amount than the first hand.
     
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    Very similar to how different Boyd houses offer different odds on the craps table. MSS offers 20 times. Walk up and over the skyway to the Cal and your offered 2 times.
     
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    One more "funny" while I think of it: Sam's Town, which also does not offer DDAS, is the only one of the seven Boyd/Coast Vegas properties that doesn't permit mid-deck entry on its pitch games. I suppose "variety" makes the world go around … or is that money? :)
     
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    It's basically standard at all CET properties that there is no DAS in their 2-deck games. High-limit salon might be different, but on the main floor, that's how it works.
     
  12. topcard

    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    I recently read (somewhere) that the Golden Gate "high limit" room has a $25 (or $50) 2-deck pitch game that allows DAS.
    I know the El Co still has their 2-deck shoe with DAS, and I will be playing there...and, if the Plaza still has their 2-deck DAS shoe game, likewise... but if the Golden Gate actually has a $25 2-deck pitch game with DAS, I will definitely be there to play it.
     
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    They do not allow it at their single deck, but I don't have a problem with that. It is still the lowest house advantaged game in the city.
     
  14. Oxygenator

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    Just got back from DT. I never saw the GG DD game less than $50. unless the rules have changed, you can DAS here. Good CW service.

    Unsure about Vegas Club DD being restored.

    The "d" might have a DD now with the ownership change. The loud music keeps me away, I prefer the GG.

    Rumour has it Gold Spike now has DD. I wasn't in there when the tables were open to find out.

    Elco is the same as always.
     
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    Off Topic ,but Informational

    Haven't played DT in a while.
    6 months ago Paris did NOT offered HL DDAS. Also, only 1 split was allowed . Now I only play MGM, due to their more liberal HL rules.
     
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    OK...just got back...for those who are curious...

    ...here are the current downtown blackjack conditions:
    All of the tables I played were low limit, $5-$10 ($3 at el-co). No 6:5 crap.

    Plaza, LVC & El-Co all have a 2-deck shoe-game with DAS.
    Golden Gate has one in the evenings but only in the 'high limit' salon, with a $50 minimum.

    Boyd properties? Still the same... no DAS.

    The 6-deck shoes and CSMs at Golden Gate & theD no longer allow surrender...(they did in August 2012).

    Never made it to Gold Spike, so I cannot report on them.

    While I was there (gambling downtown, not actually at 4-queens), somebody hit the mini-royal progressive at the Four Queens 3-card table - over $17,000 on one hand of 3-card poker! I missed it by that much! (in best Maxwell Smart imitation, holding thumb and forefinger a millimeter apart).

    I did, however, hit a mini-royal (in clubs) at the Plaza's 3-card table! A very nice hit for almost $800 total!

    ps - my Plaza room (10th floor, south tower) was nice, comfortable and large (by downtown standards). No resort fee added to my promo/comp stay. I'd gladly stay there again.

    Had some good runs along the way & left Vegas about $150 richer than when I arrived - of course, the mini-royal had a lot to do with that!
    Had good BJ runs at El Co, MSS & LVC.
    Had bad runs at Plaza & Golden Gate... and really bad at Fremont.
     
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    El Co doesn't allow DAS on single deck?

    I was really disappointed when I went downtown and played BJ for the first time. It's suppose to be the best odds and everyone is always raving about the great gambling there. But so many places had no DAS on double deck, and on some shoe games even at a $25 minimum. I could get better rules on double deck at any MGM property on the strip!
     
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    ~shrug~

    DAS games are indeed hard to find downtown these days. But the 2-deck shoes I mentioned certainly have it, and many of the shoes and CSMs have it. Seems like only the Boyd casinos don't.
    Boyd seems to be the main company that has a problem with DAS. I also think it's rather short-sighted of them, given that DT is precisely known for "better" gambling conditions than the strip.

    ...and, yes, of course you can find 2-deck games on the strip with DAS... but never at less than $25 minimum bet...unless you go to Circus or Riv or the Strat.
     
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