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Table Games Craps Strategy Please (1st Attempt)

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by chucker1, Jun 2, 2012.

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  1. chucker1

    chucker1 Tourist

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    Craps certainly looks Fun! ..... I am definitely a "low roller" - cheapskate... ha. I would like to attempt the game as "low-key" as possible and as Simple as possible??

    We are staying on The Strip, but would prefer a less-intimidating place to play.

    I will take any easy advice!

    Thanks In Advance
     
  2. TommyToledo

    TommyToledo Low-Roller

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    I always found the Imperial Palace good for craps, nice dealers, low minimums.

    Betting wise, stick to Pass Line bets and always put odds behind that, maybe place the 6 and 8 for increments of $6, that's a good solid conservative strategy.
     
  3. Auggie

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    If you are new to craps and worried about being intimidated or making wrong bets a few of the casinos on The Strip offer craps lessons.

    This is the list off vegas.com though I think its a little old and that there are probably more casinos that offer lessons in craps than this:

    Boulder Station: Mon.-Fri; craps: 11 a.m.
    Circus Circus: Mon.-Fri. craps: 11:30 a.m.
    Excalibur: Mon.-Fri.; craps: noon.
    Flamingo: Mon.-Fri.; craps. Call (702) 733-3111 for schedule.
    Golden Nugget: Wed. and Fri. craps: 11:15 a.m.
    Imperial Palace: Craps: 11 a.m. and 3 p.m. Mon.-Thurs.
    Monte Carlo: craps: Mon., Tues., & Fri., 11 a.m.
    Palace Station: Mon.-Fri.; craps: noon
    Sunset Station: Mon.-Fri.; craps: 3:30 p.m.
    Texas Station: Fri.-Sat.; craps: 6:30 p.m.
    Tropicana: Wed.-Sat.; craps: 10 a.m.

    On our last trip I am pretty sure I saw signs at Aria and NYNY announcing lessons and I know Luxor has offered lessons for most table games for years... so you can always check whatever hotel you are staying at if they offer them and at what time.

    The lessons don't run too long and they don't go in to strategies or what are good bets and which are bad ones, but explain how the game works, how to throw the dice, how to buy in, how to cash out, what you can do, what you can't do, etc. You aren't playing for any money during the lessons but after they are done the table will go "live" at which point you can either leave or stay and play for real.


    Another alternative is "Shoot to Win Craps". There are a few threads on this game already but basically what it is: there is a giant "bubble" in the middle with two oversized dice and then its surrounded by betting terminals. You will sit at a betting terminal and place your bets that way. When its time for a player to "shoot the dice" they have a plunger style button that they push that causes the dice to flip around inside the bubble.

    The advantages of playing Shoot To Win would be that its easy to figure to out, you can't make mistakes/wrong bets, it has an extensive help system that explains all the different bets and how they work and its biggest plus might be that you can play at some pretty low limits (as an example: at Excalibur the game plays for as little as $2).

    The disadvantage to playing Shoot to Win craps is that craps is often the loudest game in the casino and thats because it has such a community feel to it - when you win, almost everybody else at the table won too and when somebody gets on a hot streak and is winning and winning and winning the whole table is winning and winning and winning. At Shoot to Win I've seen some camaraderie and the community winning feeling at the game, but nowhere near like at a real craps table and sometimes the players can be just downright quiet where the only sound when the whole table wins is the little applause noise the game itself makes.
     
  4. Ben Jammin

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    Review the sticky at the top of this category, "Did You want to try craps but felt too intimidated" parts 1 through 4.

    Just because you want low minimums does not make you a cheapskate. Two line bets with double odds at a $5 dollar table you'll have $30 bucks out there. That ain't hay.

    Where on the Strip? Casino Royale is good right next to Harrah's, or Bill's may have a $5 table. You can always find one Downtown. Take the SDX (Strip to downtown express bus), it's cheap and fast.

    Downtown just has better gambling all around. Lower minimums and better returns.

    http://www.rtcsouthernnevada.com/transit/route/stripdowntown/stripdowntown%2811-07-10%29.pdf
     
  5. LV_Bound

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    Also play early in the morning where there are usually less people.
     
  6. Chuck2009x

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    Like Auggie said, take a lesson and then stay and play.

    Just bet the pass line and maybe a come bet or two until you think you have the hang of the timing of the betting.

    Position yourself on the corner of the table near one of the dealers. Invest a $5 dealer pass line bet (put an extra chip next to your own) early on and the dealer should help you out.
     
  7. jrinct1

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    So do some of the smaller off strip houses.
     
  8. FoolsGold

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    geography is getting blurred and for table games there are really no great differences, its all personal preferences and the odds factor that is offered.

    The strip usually has faster dice games than downtown and the locals joints can be downright leisurely.

    Immediately after a lesson the dealers know you are a relative newcomer to the game and will keep things slow for awhile if they can.

    Good luck.
     
  9. TuneinTokyo

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    This is my main strategy. If the going gets good you can start to improvise this by betting some long shots like hardways. A three dollar table is nice because it's obviously less risk financially. Fremont St has the best dice games for beginners or low rollers. Their are a couple games like that at Casino Royale but they are usually packed.

    There are a few Boulder Highway places that have $1 games. They close early but that would be a great place for a test run.




    Greatest game ever invented.
     
  10. makikiboy

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    As others have said, off strip casinos offer lower minimum games. I would recommend downtown to start off your craps experience. El Cortez and the Fremont offer $3 tables most of the day. Usually the tables aren't busy before lunchtime (also depends on when the vacations hawaii charters leave the fremont though).

    I would station myself right near the pit crew, that way you can ask them questions as you play. It also depends on how you throw the dice, you should practice tossing the dice to see where it might be best to stand at the table. you have to throw the dice far enough to reach the end of the other side, some people have a hard time throwing the dice all the way to the end so they sometimes stay right near to the middle stick man (shorter throw).

    I also remember Bills having craps lessons but not sure lately.

    I know that casino royale and (before closing) o'sheas having lower limit games on the strip but they were usually busy and so not an easy place for a newbie, the pace was fast and probably hard for a newbie to follow IMHO.

    Craps is a fun game to watch and play, just that the money can go very quickly at times also. Downtown during the morning might offer you a more relaxed atmosphere and the $3 tables won't break your wallet like the strip tables. I would usually play a $3 pass line and maybe $3 or $6 odds and maybe a $3 come bet and odds. You can also place $3 on the 6 and 8.

    good luck! many of us were hooked once we started playing, after that all other games seem slow by comparison, lol.
     
  11. WrongWayWade

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    If you end up at a $3 table (or any table for that matter), remember this rule of thumb for placing odds behind your passline bet. "Five-Even-Any". What this means is that when the point is the two inside numbers (6/8), your odds should be in multiples of $5. If it is the next two (5/9), the odds should be an even number. On the outside numbers (4/10), any amount is OK. This is important so you get paid fully and don't lose some money by having your payoff rounded down.
     
  12. mongo380

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    I found that Flamingo was a very friendly place to play. I knew very little about the game and the dealers held my hand until I got the hang of it. They even convinced my wife who was standing by me to join in and play. It was a blast and I am hooked on the game now. I started a thread a few months back with some good info and suggestions for newbies. Good luck and as mentioned read the craps stickies.
     
  13. theotherone

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    Five-even-any...thats a good way to put it. I've always just done evens (usually $10 or increments of) and have been ok.

    Is there an easy way to remember this for the Don'ts odds betting?
     
  14. Ben Jammin

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    I find the three dollar tables to be populated by lower rollers. It's interesting how much difference $2 makes as far as the clientele.

    Besides, a $5 line bet is easy to calculate double odds. Just put $10 behind the line for any number. It's a no brainer.

    Then if you start winning just go to $10 on the line and $20 free odds, and so on.

    Just remember to keep it conservative enough that you don't lose all your profit on one roll.

    That's called up and pull. You up your bet, pull back a profit, then reduce a bit until you have a solid profit locked up. Then you can get cavalier with your excess. If you lose that you still walk a winner.

    Let's face it, you more than likely wont break the bank, but a solid winning streak is awesome. Don't give it back!
     
  15. lucky13

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    if you have a rental car , go to green valley ranch , great casino and they have 5$ tables the dealers there are alot of fun and help you learn ....once you try craps you will never play much of anything else
     
  16. WrongWayWade

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    The Don't odds works like this: Six-Three-Two. (for the 6/8, 5/9, 4/10). Or Six-Three-Even if that is any easier.

    You get paid 5 to 6 on the 6/8, paid 2 to 3 on the 5/9, and 1 to 2 on the 4/10.

    $10 Double odds on the pass always works out ($5 pass bet). But on don't pass, you'll have to lay $12 or $15 or $20 to earn $10 each time. This is also 'double' odds; the multiplier is based on the amount you earn, not the amount you lay.
     
  17. Secondandtwo

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    Craps Tournament info ? anyone know of any upcoming Craps Tournaments ? i used to play the LVH tourneys but they have donw away with those. Any LV locals know any Craps tourneys ? Thanks in advance !
     
  18. theotherone

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    That is great info. Thanks Wade1

    SecondandTwo, The only one I ever heard of was at LVH. I hate to hear they did away with it...seems like it would have been a lot of fun to participate in.

    Actually when researching this about a year ago seems like I came across mention of a craps tourney in Tunica, but I think even that info was old.

    I would say to keep searching around and maybe even create a new topic on t....might get more info that way. Good luck
     
  19. Nacho Money

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    How I play - it starts with understanding budget

    First time players - the thing to consider after learning how to play is setting up a budget to play and your "win goal" and "loss limit".

    In gambling, Wins are cyclic - you need enough bankroll to weather the lows to reach the high. If you don't, you'll find that you run out of cash, before you can participate in the next high.

    If you play at a $5 table, have at least $250 - $500 to play with (of course, this depends on what total bets you are making).

    Wins happen all the time in Vegas - it's when you don't properly set your win goal, that's when you lose. Get rid of high expectations of 1000% Return on Investment. Wins happen more frequently at the lower percentages. The trick, accumulate small wins - don't just hold-out for the "home runs".

    Set a "win goal". With my play style, I set my win goal at 2-3 times my initial bet investment. Once I hit that, I color-up and do something else - then come back later. During the course of a day of playing here and there, I usually have a profit of 2-3 times my session bankroll.

    My loss limit - If I lose my initial bet investment 3 times in a single session, I color-up and do something else for awhile, then come back later.

    Never chase a "loss", and never ever chase a "win"...by time you realize that the table is not "Hot" anymore, you've also given back your wins plus more.

    These are rules of discipline to follow if you want to have a long lasting and fun adventure with craps!

    Have fun!

    Just remember: "Its Na cho money" any more after you leave Vegas. :wink2:
     
  20. tapakip

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    Nacho, I agree with what you say. Of course, it would have been so much easier for me to stick to that course of action if not for my first time playing craps, turning $100 into $1100 in about an hour. And they say that a guy's first time at craps is supposed to be unlucky, haha.
     
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