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Table Games Craps Small/Tall/ALL bet

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Drambler, Jul 18, 2013.

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  1. Drambler

    Drambler High-Roller

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    I've never seen anyone hit the all small/all tall/all or nothing bet at craps before last week. Then I actually hit it with $5 on the all or nothing portion and $1 on the all tall section. I was going to bet the all small but somehow that got missed. So I won over $900 on that bet. I had to hit the two for my last number and boy did that take a while. I made everyone at the table a ton of money. I was at the Wynn and a few guys were betting pretty heavy. I jumped about five feet in the air when that two showed.

    What was amazing is the guy who followed me actually rolled all the numbers but the two. Boy that would have been something to win that bet twice.

    I hope to get a trip report together but am being slow on that one.
     
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  2. Leesh

    Leesh Low-Roller

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    Congrats! I did this once (and only once!) with only $1 on each. Was still a rush. I think my last # was a 2 also. Looking forward to your trip report!!
     
  3. VegasBJ

    VegasBJ VIP Whale

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    I hit it twice last trip with $5 across. One with a virgin roller, and once myself.
     
  4. xizor

    xizor Tourist

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    I have only played this at NYNY but have never hit it. Congrats.
     
  5. LV_Bound

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    I went on a monster roll.
    The 3 guys at the end of the table had $10 bets on all 3.

    I hit all the numbers and just needed the 5 for the Small/All to complete.

    Once the 5 was rolled these guys went crazy. Guess who didn't have a bet on it. :eek:
     
  6. stackinchips

    stackinchips High-Roller

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    I much prefer this to the fire bet. As long as it's not an immediate 7 out, you are probably going to be close to at least hitting one of them. Also it just seems to hit more frequently than the fire bet at least in my experience.

    Last trip I really killed this bet. I hit it myself at a table playing alone at NYNY in the morning, and it took about 5 minutes and maybe 15 rolls. It helped that my come out rolls were 2, 12, and 3 before I set the point. Then I also hit it on my business partner's monster roll when he held the dice for about 1:45 at the Mirage. Ironically, they wouldn't let us bet it again after we had hit it, because he hadn't rolled a seven (he rolled a seven on his first and last rolls in 1:45 minutes!). I'm not sure why they wouldn't let us get back on it, but it's a good thing for them they didn't because he definitely would have hit it twice. Of course that would have been a 6 point fire bet too.

    It's a sucker bet, but it's entertaining. I usually go 3-4-3 on it so that if a seven hits on the come out, I break even.
     
  7. thecarve

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    I hit the All or Nothing at Encore...it must have been my November trip last year. A bunch of people were betting it so we had a good old time with that. I had $5 on it - I think it paid $875 or thereabouts.

    Amazingly, it wasn't even the highlight of the session. Some guy hit my placed eight 10-12 times one roll and I was [STRIKE]trashed[/STRIKE] pressing aggressively. I think I went from $60 to about a grand on that bet. The nice thing was that the guy eventually hit the point, then set the eight as his next point. I took the bet down, and he promptly sevened out. Best couple hundred bucks I've ever lost!
     
  8. reg1986

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    Last weekend I hit the tall at the Encore and missed the all by the 3 later I hit the small and missed the all by the yo at the MC. I also had a monster 50+ roll at thr Aria on Friday. great trip so I'm going back in August.:drunk:
     
  9. jrinct1

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    Am out of the loop on this one. This is the 1st time I have heard of it. Have to check the Wizard of Odds to see what the House Advantage is. Is this just in LV or at most casinos nationwide?? ( Do the CT houses have them???).
     
  10. hoochiemama

    hoochiemama Low-Roller

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    I played craps the first time recently and am now hooked on these bets. I hit the all tall when I was shooting one time with $2 on it. I came one number short of the other wins and that was enough for me to keep trying.

    The only "problem" is when there's a string of 7 on come out then I would second guess.
     
  11. Burt

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    Was it at the end table? I was at the table and had nothing on it. However, I went and played it a couple of tables down and I put $5 on each and it hit. 176 to 1 for all and 36 to 1 for small and tall. I was down to my last $200 when I went to that table and left with $2110.
     
  12. danelkes

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    I played 35 hours of craps in a 4 day trip last year and never hit it once. Missed it by one number a number of times.

    Things turned around this year. I just came back from a 9 day trip at the Encore where I played 65+ hours of craps and bet every single time 150$ (50$ x 3). I got very lucky this year since I hit the whole thing 5 times and missed it by one number at least 4 or 5 other times. Two of these fives times I hit was my wife rolling for me. It was great excitement. She also chase an 8 for 5 minutes to complete the ALL and hit it a third time but sevened out before..

    I believe house advantage is around 10% but I really love this bet. Even on a craps 2, 3 or 12 on the come out roll you feel kind of happy.
     
  13. WrongWayWade

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    House advantage on the all small or all tall (35 for 1) is: 7.76%
    House advantage on the ALL or nothing at all (175 for 1) is: 7.99%

    I think this is fun and it gets resolved FAR faster than the fire bet. If you have to go eat dinner in 30 minutes, you can't make the Fire Bet!
     
  14. Kickin

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    I agree its probably the only side bet I ever play because its fun, the payouts are exciting, and given how slowly it gets resolved and the low maximum wagers the actual hourly cost is minor depending on how much you're betting on the main game. Personally I like the fire bet better because the 1000:1 payout would get my juices flowing but either bet is fun.

    But I disagree with your last statement. If you have a someone that's shooting for over 30 mins then screw dinner! :peace:
     
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    I was playing these bets with $5 on each spot (small, tall, and all) while my buddy was shooting and was down to just the 4 for the small and all bets. I had been tipping the dealers generously throughout the roll and they wisely advised me to lay $400 on the 4 to hedge my bet. Of course, in my drunken / liquid confidence state of mind, I told the dealers no way, my buddy's gonna hit the 4.

    Next roll - 7 Out! :grrr:
     
  16. Drambler

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    Yes it was at the end table. That is a great hit you got there.
     
  17. stackinchips

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    I play the firebet when at CET props, but prefer the All Tall/Small. For one, you hit it MUCH more frequently than the fire bet. Of course, the big payout on the FB is much better than the All Tall/Small.

    The biggest reason I like the ATS better than the FB though is that with the FB you pretty much make the bet, then forget about it for the next 30 minutes, because you won't be close to hitting even the 4 points for at least that long. This basically means that on 90% of your rolls, you get zero entertainment value out of it. The ATS on the other hand will give you entertainment value much sooner and more frequently. You may not hit the ATS all the time, but chances are if the shooter rolls at least 12-15 times before the seven out, you are likely to at least be close to hitting one of the bets which makes it interesting.

    In summary the FB is a total snooze fest until you set the 4th point and beyond. ATS I'm getting value and action almost from the beginning.
     
  18. zeekm

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    I won about $1000 or so on your roll Drambler. $420 was from the ATS bet. The rest came from the numbers I placed. Good shooting!
     
  19. boxcars

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    The All Tall/Small bet is probably the most fun I've ever had. We played at the Golden Nugget last March and my buddy hit the All at least once on the trip. When he hit the All for over $700, I thought I'd give it a shot! I hit the Tall or Small 2 or 3 times. I was content! Lots and lots of fun and talk about a table that goes totally crazy. It's fun!!!
     
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