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Craps Rating Question

Discussion in 'Comps' started by jamie1983, Jun 21, 2012.

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  1. jamie1983

    jamie1983 Low-Roller

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    If I play a $10 table, $10 on pass, $10 odds, $12 on 6, $12 on 8 will I get any rating? I plan on playing at the Plaza downtown and usually on the strip will play at the Mirage, or would a CET rate better?
     
  2. Ike

    Ike Low-Roller

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    You should get rated and earn comps at that level. Knowing that though, it really depends on the pit boss how well you're rated which can vary whether your at the Plaza, a CET or a MGM casino. Each casino will have its own formula on what you should earn, but on a low edge game like craps it really comes down to what the pit boss feels like rating you at. Be friendly, tip the dealers, don't hassle anyone and then during your session or at the end ask the pit boss what you're being rated. If you think the rating is way off, kindly explain why and you will usually get it bumped to a fair level. The problem with playing at a low limit table is that pit bosses will sometimes get lazy and simply rate you at the table minimum. I like to play at higher levels on low limit tables, so this is a problem I run in to frequently. I've found that being friendly, open and honest yields the best results.
     
  3. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    sure, you should get rated for $34 with that play and you should be rated anywhere because it's over $25. but at low limit tables, you're at the mercy of the pit boss who's usually tracking multiple tables and likely isn't paying too much attention to you. so you're much more likely to get under-rated.
     
  4. Nacho Money

    Nacho Money Tourist

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    How I boost my Comp ratings

    If I'm gonna play at one place, I'll stop at the (cash)"cage" first and set-up a front money account - deposit my trip bankroll. You'll be pulling and pushing your money in and out of this account throughout your trip.

    Then, I'll go to a table that I want to play at, tell any of the dealers "I wanna draw a marker" and give them my player's card. They'll come over, ask you how much, then you sign paperwork. You don't have to pull all your money out, but enough to play two full craps sessions. (Hint: You're not going to bet all of it, just half...)

    What this does: drawing a marker on Front money puts your play into a different and higher rating because you are communicating a total bankroll. Showing an initial larger session bankroll, regardless if you bet all of it, will also boost your rating. Your Life Time Value (LTV) as a customer to the casino just went up and now they are more willing to give you comps - its now worth it to them to make you happy.

    Now, for your first bet - passline, make this amount 3 times what you normally bet on the passline (you'll only do this once - after a decision on the pasline bet, then you can go back to your normal bet size).

    What this does: You're initial bet amount is figured into the LTV equation that the casino uses to calculate your comp rating.

    If you're playing for comps, you'll need to play at least 4 hours a day. To stretch that time out.
    1. Find full tables
    2. Remember, you don't have to bet all of the time - especially on a full table, take a bet break every once in awhile - sometimes that'll eat up ten minutes.
    3. you can walk away from the table every once in awhile for bathroom breaks - most times on busy tables, the boxman will not mark your absence.
    4. For advanced players: learn how to do hedge bets with darkside play combined with right side bets. This will double the perceived bets on the table at only half the risk to you. Don't do Pass and Don't Pass at the same time - its too obvious and you'll only get credit for half.

    Remember: "it's Na Cho Money" after you leave Vegas :wink2:
     
  5. FoolsGold

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    >I plan on playing downtown and usually on the strip will play at the Mirage,
    You will be rated at those places... no problem. At the top tier casinos such as Wynn or Bellagio you would be totally invisible.

    > or would a CET rate better?
    Not for table games.

    Now your comps won't be much but I'd suggest starting out strong, keeping the dealers happy, and putting in 3 or 4 hour sessions. That way, you are doing your best.
     
  6. AceRothstein80

    AceRothstein80 Low-Roller

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    I never really thought of setting up a account with the cage. So, say you have a 2g gambling budget, you just deposit it at the cage, and draw it at the table? And then, say you draw $500, and you win, $150...now you have $650, you just go to the cage and re-deposit some/all of it if you want?

    Also, I was curious on Crap comps too. I play at this similar level. I prefer to find a $5 table if I could. I would usually bet $5 on pass, then $10 or more on odds, and usually do $5 on come bets and follow with $10 odds...usually covering at least 2 more numbers, if not 3. So I will have around $45 a roll out there minimum each time for a $5 table
     
  7. Polemarch28

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    You can do that - but at that level, I'd feel silly about it. Dealing with front money is a little bit of a pain, and while it makes sense when you're buying in for $2,500 (so you can avoid having to drop 25 bills on the table, wait for them to count it, etc.), when you're buying in for $500, I don't think it's worth anyone's time. Every marker generates paperwork, requires approval, takes time.

    In general, I'd avoid taking a marker for anything less than $1,000, and I wouldn't even bother with the deposit/FM account for any less than $5,000.
     
  8. earth-3

    earth-3 High-Roller

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    If you win more than your marker, you can buy it back right at the table. You just keep your winnings. You can always go to the cage at anytime and make a deposit. I agree with the marker and deposit minimums mentioned. Usually I make my deposit via a cashiers check. You need to arrange that a few days ahead of time. Just call the casino and ask to speak to the cashiers cage. They will tell you how this is handled. (It can very from one property to another.) Even a cashiers check must be verified so your bank needs to be open to do this. Weekends are a problem since bank hours are very limited. Remember that this money can only be drawn for gambling. You cannot use it to pay for other charges. Some casinos only issue you a check for exactly what's left at the end of your stay. So don't plan on paying for your cab ride to the airport with it. If you need a little spending money, keep a few chips and cash them in at the end of your session.
     
  9. LV_Bound

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    Each place seems to be different when it comes to Craps.
    Was told by a host at NYNY they do rate players at their $5 Craps table.
     
  10. Nittany1

    Nittany1 VIP Whale

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    Rating players at a $5 craps table is not the same thing as rating a $5 player.
    NYNY is part of the MGM chain and under $25 is not worth asking.
    I have played at $5 tables with an average bet of over $300.
     
  11. JarettK

    JarettK Low-Roller

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    I'm a low rolling craps player. The only place I see noticeable comps and offers is Bills, but that only gets you so much... (Usually a weeks worth of room a year and minor food, maybe a limo to hotel)

    If I play 5-6 hours ever night of a trip with $5 pass, full odds and $6 on 6/8, along with many Boys on the line dealer tip bets, I have had many many years of these offers. Though, it is slowing down a little in the last year, but I still get the Bonanza (3 nights and a show) offer.

    My level of play anywhere else has been unnoticed. I think it's because I put the dealers on the line with me so much, the dealers and pit boss notice and overinflate.
     
  12. GolferTrav

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    CET may rate better, despite it being a table game, because they rate odds.
     
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