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Table Games Craps money management

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by natedog666, Feb 27, 2013.

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  1. natedog666

    natedog666 17 and 20 Expert

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    Like my previous thread, this one is on Craps.

    Since I'm going with a fairly large group this time, about 6 guys, if I go by the 3 strikes you're out rule, 1/2 the group wouldn't have a chance to shoot...and if I let everybody shoot, I'd be broke if it's a cold table.

    I've noticed in my many trips that short sessions are the best; hit and run usually beats digging yourself out of a big hole on marathon sessions.

    I'm thinking of starting with 50 or 100k buy-in. 1k pass, full odds behind. 2600 across. 1k on the pt hardway.

    So total outlay per roll will be maximum of 6k+2.6k+1k = 9.6k

    For my pressing method, I need to hit about 2 passes, or 4-5 same number, or 8-9 different numbers to make my money back.

    So if the worse happens, pt 7 out, 3-4 times I'm down 40k and will need a pretty hot roll to come back....about 20 numbers. If I last through all 6 shooters that will be 60k.

    Just wondering what my fellow craps fiends think? Should I run away if there's 3 no passes or 4 no passes, or should I try to lower the starting bet and try for more chances....? Asking me not to press or to play the darkside will not work for my entertainment purposes....:)
     
  2. JDinTN

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    Is one of those 6 guys your dice setting friend?
     
  3. Gregsmt

    Gregsmt Low-Roller

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    I'm sorta like you Nate except with green chips. No dark side and I gotta press and swing for the fence. I usually don't bet across at the start though. Inside to start with unless the 4 or 10 is the point then it's even numbers. I never let any number I'm not on hit 3 times without me jumping on by the second hit. I have to stay at a table long enough to let every body shoot once and if anyone has a hot roll, I gotta stay until they shoot again.
     
  4. Wazza

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    Say the point is 8. Instead of betting the 1k hardways could you bet $200 hopping 4-4 each roll. If you make it early, great. If you dont you will have made enough on your numbers after 5 rolls to pay for the hardway bet. If you point 7 out you will have lost $800 less each roll.

    It is a small hedge and I know the hopping bet has a high house edge ....

    Or you could play the come line for a few rolls rather than putting your numbers bet out there straight away.
     
  5. numeno

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    I prefer starting smaller and pressing quicker. Probably half those bets and press the place bets on first win and every other win after that.

    Pressing the pass depends on how long the other pass went. If they hit a lot of numbers and I have a little profit I'm good with increasing the pass. I generally like more money out on place bets than the pass line.



    BTW, I know you do across. Do you do buy bets on the 4/10 or place bets? Same question on the 5/9 even if they allow it.
     
  6. natedog666

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    The hopping bet sounds cool, although if you hit you would only get 6k for it, whereas the hard 8 will pay you 9k. It only works however if the hard 8 shows up in the first five rolls. The problem with this is what happens after 5 rolls on other numbers? Would you bet it again? You could go for a while before the pt comes, hard or otherwise. If otherwise, you'd be out x number of rolls times 200. If hard, you would get paid 6k. I think I would stick to just the hard way bet for 1k since it is the point and it is sort of like a bonus if it passes hard, and you don't feel bad if it passes easy since you made a lot anyways on the pass.
     
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    I think gambling variance got Nacho....haven't heard about him going to casinos for a looooong time....
     
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    Yeah, that works for me on a table just by myself or with a couple of friends. If it is a lot of people, I will get killed if the table is cold...wipe me out before it gets back to me...so I have to use some money management discipline and leave if things don't look up quickly...
     
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    When I do across, I buy the 4 and 10 (don't everybody playing above quarters?), and just place the 5,6,8,9. The dealers do that automatically without you saying anything when you do across.
     
  10. jhpa

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    I looked at your method - and dropped a few zeros - to compare it to mine.

    I do not like to start off so aggressively. I will play pass with odds and then, once the point is established - I will place two other numbers that are part of my "sets". My "sets "are the 4-6-9 and the 5-8-10. So, for example, if the point is set on the 4, I place the 6 and 9. This gives me one short odds, one medium odds and one long odds in play.
    The exception to that is if the point is "set hard" - (e.g. an eight is set with the 4 - 4 on the come out roll). In this case I place the other three even numbers and also make bets on the hardways.

    After the shooter makes his first point, I will add another number so I have 4 place bets in play. My superstition is I never like to have all the numbers in play, so I will usually leave one number open.

    This usually helps me survive some shallow shooters a little more easily - my payback is after only three hits.
     
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    My experiences tell me to gradually increase my bets when things are going well. Sounds like conventional wisdom, doesn't it?! If I come in major aggressive from the get-go, I almost always get burned. I want to play to win, but I also enjoy playing on the tables, hence having very long sessions.
     
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    I assumed so, I just never knew if it was standard. I generally don't do all the numbers. I'm usually doing 6/8 or 4/10.
     
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    For what it’s worth, the most successful players that I have played with over the last three decades have played fewer numbers, pressing aggressively when appropriate. I’m somewhere in between, but I like to play for extended periods if the play is favorable.
     
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