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Table Games Craps betting strategy observed

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by tmaas21, Dec 24, 2013.

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  1. tmaas21

    tmaas21 Low-Roller

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    Merry Christmas fellow VMB'ers!! Hope you're all having a good one!

    Last night I decided I needed some solo time before all the requisite holiday activities, so I hit up the Horseshoe Council Bluffs for gambling, hot tub, and a free room that somebody made the bed for me :)

    While there - I cruised by the craps tables. One was hopping....really hopping. A Vietnamese gentleman had roughy 30,000 in his rack and was betting wildly - using a strategy I've never witnessed. I watched him for roughly 40 minutes...of which a guy rolled for 30 of it. In the end, the man hit 5 unique points, triggering the fire bet payout of 250-1. 2 players had $25 on the fire bet. A nice $6250 bonus for each guy.

    Here's his method....
    Place bet 4 numbers with 50-1 odds and 100-1 odds on the pass line. So he would do $10 with 500 odds on 4 of the 5 non points. $10 with $1000 odds on the point. When a non point would hit, he'd press to full odds.

    Nothing unusual yet....but...here's what I don't get.

    He'd put 200 on each hard way. But then he'd flip the stick a purple chip - spreading it between the hop bets and the horn. The entire $500 got spent, nothing in return.

    This appeared to be very costly to him - many times the wins would simply cancel out the losing bets. He did have a stretch of yo 11s that this worked on tho. Again - it's a poor story. I was two deep at the table, and the stick man was very efficient at the payouts. So not easy to follow. He always had between 1300-2000 rolling in the middle of the table, and many of them were one roll wagers obviously. Lots of money flying around.

    Anyone know what the hell he was doing??

    When I left, the shooter 7 out and the guy had over 50000 in his rack. He was getting ready to play the next shooter.

    Which - strangle enough, he never made a pass line bet until the point was established.

    I came back later and he was gone - wonder how it turned out??? I didn't ask the crew. On that note - I was impressed. The crew never rotated out during the hot streak. Help arrived, but never tapped in. Just stood back and watched.

    Thanks for any ideas.
     
  2. firstkill

    firstkill High-Roller

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    I've been keeping track of these bets for a while, as I like to play ace deuce and snake eyes for fun.

    Next craps session see if betting the 2 or 12 is favorable. U don't need to bet it, just keep track of number of rolls.

    2 or 12 is 30 to one
    11 or 3 is 15 to one

    How often is 2 or 12 rolled in 30 rolls or 3 and 11 in 15 rolls?

    It just becomes a fun sucker bet and some times the off numbers show up often

    Fk
     
  3. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    I don't see any strategy there. sounds like a guy that just liked a lot of action. he had at least four numbers covered at a time (are you sure it was place bets? I think you mean come bets. There aren't odds on place bets). And if the shooter holds the dice for half an hour and hits five points, plus he certainly hit at least that many place/come bets, its pretty easy to run up your bankroll by 66%. No discernible strategy I can see. Just an action junkie
     
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    With craps just about any betting style can become a great idea every once in a while. All you need is that one night to get hooked on a particular betting method. But it doesn't mean its a good one to use all the time. :eek:
     
  5. tmaas21

    tmaas21 Low-Roller

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    I was just wondering if there was any strategy involved as to "protecting" the hard way losses on soft hits with the "hopping". Guy didn't seem to be on a system - rather just getting off on the action.

    And yes - I did mistype. I did mean come bets. Thx for the edit ;)
     
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    TIMSPEED !địt mẹ!

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    nope...he just got lucky...
    When a shooter is rolling numbers, almost any bet will be a winner.
    Personally, I like to find the table that people are only rolling one or two numbers, so I can lose my money quickest, lol.
     
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    That's my style too Timspeed....can't blame a girl.for.trying!
     
  8. jrinct1

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    I kinda agree with timspeed as well.
     
  9. WrongWayWade

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    He might have been making immediate 'put' bets, which looks like a come bet but you can do it immediately. If he was taking 50x or 100x odds, these pay better than the corresponding place bets, even though you don't get a comeout roll on the flat bet. (I think the cutoff is around 5x or 6x odds, compared to place betting.)

    Agree 100%. All those continuous hard way/horn/center layout bets are horribly expensive. But he likes the action.
     
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    You know, I didn't even think of this. In fact, I have only seen put bets on the shooter's point, never on a Come bet number. Can you make a put bet on a Come point? I don't see why not, since the edge favors the house. Still, I've never seen that.
     
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    You can make a put bet on any number at any time, like a place bet. Some places don't allow put bets, however, (not sure why).
     
  12. jacer333

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    Wow, what an ironic post to see here! I frequent the Council Bluffs Horseshoe often, and have seen this guy there EVERY time I go. I too am completely baffled but enthralled by playing at the same table as this fellow. Like others have mentioned, I have yet to pick up on any kind of strategy, he just seems to want to be on every possible play on the board. Regardless of how a roll resolves, he is going to either be raking in or shelling out a good amount of chips every time the dice drop. And no dollar amount seems to be enough to get any reaction from the guy, I noticed he would usually just casually scan the casino and look around rather than being locked in on the table and how the dice are falling. It certainly makes for a unique craps atmosphere unlike one I have ever encountered, even in Vegas.
     
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