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Continuing problems for Neonopolis

Discussion in 'Downtown Hotels & Casinos' started by makikiboy, Dec 2, 2013.

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  1. makikiboy

    makikiboy VIP Whale

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    Just got my monthly email from Bill Mandel - lvopenings.

    He said that the Krave, the LGBT nightclub has closed. The Drink and Drag nightclub also closed, again showing that the Neonopolis is still having a hard time filling and keeping tenants.

    This is unfortunate as many feel that downtown business is starting to pick up with all the happennings (Zappos, container park, slotzilla, etc.) going on. I suspect part of the problem is that the Drink and Drag and Krave are pretty much one dimensional, catering mostly to the LGBT crowd (and fans) which I guess wasn't enough to sustain it.

    There are still tenants in the place (Denny's, the toy store, Heart Attack Grill) but I hardly see much activity in the place. Neonopolis really needs strong tenants to hopefully build up the place. I would visit if there was an In n Out there. Not sure exactly what the problem with Neonopolis is, high rents? or just bad location? Cursed? But this has been their problem for a long time, keeping tenants there.
     
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    the one bad thing about vegas nite clubs is every 2 or 3 days differnt people come so they dont care how they treat you as your probly not coming back and if you do not that often which is a shame.this goes more for the straight clubs.

    a good nite club is about the mix of people , gay ,straight ,trans and all races, not if you have a collared shirt and shoes or can you buy a bottle or bribe the doorman.thats whats wrong with vegas.

    now gay clubs is trickier as its a niche crowd and most of the regular are industry and clubs cant make just on locals if there realy big.

    thats my 2 cents for cyber monday.

    ps hint for straight guys some of the hotest girls go to gay clubs to dance just to be left alone.
     
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    its the scary shape of neonopolis that kills it.

    You have to really be on your toes to just go in and look around. not friendly at all for shopping.

    They need to open it up so its not such a keyhole type thing to walk through. No telling who or what is creeping around in there.

    Something can be done with it i am sure but not individual stores. there is no draw for that.

    They need on really big thing there like a casino and hotel!!
     
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    If you're scared to walk in to neonopolis, you shouldn't be ANYWHERE downtown, not even under the FSE canopy. I do agree tho that neonopolis really needs that one big tenant, tho they've been trying to get the big one for years. I've heard they get the group (big??) tours doing the pawn stars tour . I hope the toy store and the card shop make it as I always visit them every trip.
     
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    Krave downtown made no sense at all to me.Tourists who want to go out to a club generally don't travel all the way downtown, and the gay locals scene is far from downtown, I used to go once a trip when it was at PHo and thought it was a good time. I'm excited it's now back on the strip!
     
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    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    Do you think Sports Bars, Pool Table Halls, and a variety of Tapas type food restaurants would work? :beer:

    How about a Bowling Alley that features Cosmic Bowling?
     
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    Are you saying this for str8 guys to go to a gay club? [​IMG]
     
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    It's a difficult sell for the city and retail downtown. First of all it's logistics. People like downtown because you can fall out of one casino and into the next. You see everything in one visit if your staying on the strip. How do you get those same people to begin to spread out onto other streets, is almost in denial of what is Freemont's attraction. It's being contained and insight of all the activity. Shopping is for the strip crowd. If your a retailer in Neonopolis, you need to be your own draw. If all the downtown casino's closed, you could still survive. That is a tough order. You need your own customer base and probably your own credit card system to get shoppers to trade with you regularly. The strip uses national name chains and retailers because they have that going for them. You would need something like a Walmart or Home Depot for downtown. I don't know if they would except a land lease from Neonopolis. They like to own the building and the land they occupy. They don't pay rent but contribute to the common area expense, maintain their own hours independently (Open early or stay open over night), do their own independent advertising and promotions and have their own security. They even have their own emergency systems for back up to operational issues. They are very self sufficient.
     
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    yup

    and if you really want to see whats breaking in fashion and music ,a large parts of trends starts in the gay club sceence.

    coming from nyc even though they where gay based they where still mixed with all walks off life and it made for a great party.

    my best bartebder was transgender and she took care of so much of the downtown new york nite life in the 80's:thumbsup:
     
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    Just wanna have fun, dude. Not really looking for fashion trends. I find many of the "trends" look crap anyway.

    I wouldn't need to mix in with gay fellas to talk to females.

    As far as a transgender bartender, that can be anywhere. I wouldn't care what gender they identify with.....just "Do they make a good drink."
     
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    I think it could do well in some kind of capacity. But, it's not going to do well with current ownership/management. The guy running it is one heck of a character. I can't imagine what it's like to try to rent from him or do business with him. If you're saying these places have closed, that tells me, without even checking that he's still there. I wonder if the plan now is to just sit on the property and hope for the Downtown Project to provide a big windfall. But, he would be the type to sit there and demand more money until the climate changes again and the property value goes back down. What a guy.
     
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    The problem is that most hotels on the strip and downtown will NOT allow pizza chains, or pizza places in general to deliver to your room. They don't like competition with their in-house offerings like restaurants and room service.
     
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