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Discussion in 'MyVegas' started by AbFab, Jan 22, 2013.

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  1. AbFab

    AbFab Low-Roller

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    And they reassured my that there's no way any game can track if you're using the feed or not as it populates within your feed.

    I guess clicks are just clicks anyway you do it.

    So, carry on... :thumbsup:
     
  2. mkerr

    mkerr MyVegas Rep

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    The way we detect automation is the rate and frequency of feed collection. It's actually pretty obvious when a player is using an automated tool.

    Any automation is against our terms; if we detect that you are using (or promoting) automation, then you may lose your ability to purchase rewards.

    Regards,
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  3. AbFab

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    Cool. :thumbsup: But, I'll still take my chance. :)
     
  4. tacallian

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    If the limit is set at 50K per day, then it is expected that you should be able to hit that limit every day if you wish to do so. The difference between manually clicking on links and using a tool like linkclump is only in time. Sitting at the computer with a giant list of share links and holding down the CTRL key while clicking 10-20 and then closing all the extra windows is the same basic process, just a bit slower. If 50K credits daily rings the too much bell, then it's a problem with the limit IMO.

    It's a great game all told. But for time investment, even with the feed collection it's nowhere near worth the time/value of money in generating comps.

    Now, automated clicking apps to play the game all day long, completely agree there. But banning based on the link dumps would be petty. Dropping the limit or changing how the share linkage works (redeemable limit, etc.) would be much better solutions.
     
  5. AbFab

    AbFab Low-Roller

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    Petty indeed and just a tool to try and close accounts without any merit. Think about it, say the feed clicks every 3 seconds, but I could also click the the same bonus in 3 seconds. Then and they Monty and Myvegas can turn around and accuse me that I used the feed to collect and void my prizes.

    It's no coincidence that this is now taking place, this far into the game.
    Gamefeeds has said it's not possible to detect only FB would have that knowledge.

    The good news, since the LPs have some value someone with the time and law resource can have some fun with this....just sayin':ssst: ;)
     
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  6. FountainFiend

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    I think it would be relatively easy to check if the links are being clicked once every X seconds. Possible that only Facebook knows for SURE that Game Feeds is being used, but any programmer can put something together to see if something is being clicked regurally (with-in some margin). Of course, then the 'rival' programmer can make it click randomly (between 1-5 seconds, etc), that would be harder to detect.

    This would almost certainly result in a cat and mouse game. I think the better option would be to limit the number of coins that can be collected in a day, if that's the concern. I'd say I run through my 50k every day and don't get too far in LP, so I think it's rather balanced, but it's not my game to decide.

    Also, I wish people would stop bringing up law enforcement/lawyers. There isn't going to be any way that you can sue over this. The entire thing, including your LPs are property of MyVegas. They may give you some compensation based on your activity, but that's it.

    And that's fine with me. It's a free game with free rewards. There is no legal guarantee of anything, so play it if you are having fun, buy coins/LP if you think you'll have more fun with them and get rewards if you can. If you can't, chalk it up to entertainment value. Just my two cents.
     
  7. AbFab

    AbFab Low-Roller

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    Actually, MyVegas is a business, with intend on making a profit. Yes, you can earn free stuff without purchasing, but the fact is it still operates as a business at the end of the day. Bait n switch among other common business laws apply to them.

    People should and have the right to be protected. Just like any other business to customer. They're no different just because they're a game on facebook.

    Actually, the LPs are my property and my time has value. That's like saying people on wheel of fortune didn't win that money, because the wheel belongs to Wheel of fortune.
     
  8. FountainFiend

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    MyVegas' terms of service make it pretty clear that you don't own anything, and there is no cash equivalent to any of it.


    "From time to time during Your use of the Service, You may have the opportunity to "earn”, "buy" or "purchase" (a) virtual in-game items; or (b) virtual in-game points, including but not limited to virtual coins, cash or points, all for use in the Service (together with virtual in-game items, "Virtual Items"). You do not in fact "own" the Virtual Items and the amounts of any Virtual Item do not refer to any credit balance of real points or its equivalent. Rather, by "earning”, "buying”, or "purchasing” Virtual Items (whether through the use of Facebook Credits or virtual points), You are granted a limited license to use the software programs that manifest themselves as the Virtual Items

    You will have the opportunity to accumulate "Loyalty Points” through Your use of the Service. Loyalty Points are virtual in-game points that You can use to "purchase” other Virtual Items within the Service. As with all Virtual Items, You do not in fact own the Loyalty Points You accumulate and the amounts of any Loyalty Points You accumulate do not refer to any credit balance of real currency or its equivalent. Rather, by "earning”, "buying”, or "purchasing” Loyalty Points, You are merely granted a limited license to use the software programs that manifest themselves as the Loyalty Points"
     
  9. AbFab

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    haha that language wouldn't hold up in court especially with this gem "You are merely granted a limited license" . At some point those lps are and were mine. :)

    Like I said, at the end of the day they operate as a business and are in-partnership with MGM.
    You'd be a fool to think you shouldn't be protected.
     
  10. tacallian

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    Any time you utilize something free on the internet and near everywhere else, you are the product being sold. MyVegas benefits from the sale of chips yes, but Mlife is paying for this out of marketing dollars, even if it's just reduced cost or free cost comp product. I have my doubts that the chip sales were intended to actually make money. More likely they're subsidizing an otherwise red business. Marketing expenses are done in the hope of getting people to the casino where they will spend money.

    AbFab, you are overzealous with this and the Wheel of Fortune example is several orders of magnitude off base.

    We're dealing with a beta product that still has some serious kinks. What I'm trying to raise awareness about for Monty and the others working there is to be careful punishing the users. Fixing the system by the cap per day because the credit availability is broken would be an appropriate method. So would changing the location of a win confirmation window to a random screen locale to combat the outright botting. People using a link clicker to digest a large number of links rapidly isn't a problem cause, it's a symptom and banning people who use it rather than fixing the problem would be a very poor PR move. The problem isn't that people use link clickers, but that link clickers would even be beneficial in the first place. This indicates a more base level system flaw.
     
  11. tacallian

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    It has held up in every issue relating to online gamin thus far, such as massively multiplayer games people pay subscription services to. You're talking out of ignorance not knowledge and should research the topic further.
     
  12. AbFab

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    Lol...If I had the time, I would upload plenty of class action lawsuit pertaining to online and other business who in their TOS state legal gibberish, but at the end of the day it doesn't mean anything when a volume of people are getting "screwed".

    Just google yourself a few like facebook, instagram, yahoo, timewarner cable, at&t, etc class action..
     
  13. tacallian

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    You don't need a great deal of time. All you need is one that mirrors a situation of digital currency using an online game that requires no monetary input where people got compensated for the valueless currency they "lost". You won't find one though. And most certainly not one where methods in the TOS deemed as exploitation were at the heart of the "loss".
     
  14. AbFab

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    I'm sure if you dig you can find similar. Technically, facebook and instagram are FFS, but I digress.
    The prize are of value, hence why they're protecting their value, or better yet their assets. If it truly was free and of NO value there wouldn't be restrictions. And I'm not sure, but I'm almost certain they're operating as an limited liability company.

    Like I said, every company has a TOS full of legal gibberish, but at the end of the day it doesn't mean much. Hence why the court systems are so full with CAS. That's just how our system works. :)
     
  15. Sonya

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    This thread is starting to feel a little [​IMG]

    Bottom line - While they are difficult to detect, Monty has clearly stated:
    That's going to be our policy too, so future threads about automation methods will be removed without notice.

    Thanks for understanding our position.
     
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