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Comp requirements for mlife

Discussion in 'Comps' started by grosx2, Jun 14, 2016.

  1. grosx2

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    Current TR diamond, thinking about giving mlife some play on my next couple trips to see if I can generate some teaser offers. Currently thinking about trying Bellagio or MGM as I think I would like those properties, and they both have decent multi hand VP at the quarter level, according to vpfree2.

    On my next couple trips I was thinking about picking one of the above properties, and doing maybe $10-15k coin in on VP during one day on each trip. Maybe even shoot for $20k if I'm running well. Or maybe do a day at bellagio on one trip, and a day at MGM the next trip. Do you mlife veterans think that this level of action from a new player would generate any offers at either property?
     
  2. Chuck2009x

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    Sure, you should definitely get teaser offers. Just remember that your first trip is the one that will generate teasers; the 2nd one will generate offers based specifically on that trip, so they may not be as good as the teasers.

    MLife doesn't have the ratio posted on their website anymore, but I believe the ratio was 3.33:1 as far as earning base points, slot coin in vs VP coin in. That would be pretty generous to VP as far as theo, the theo on slots is going to average more than 3.33:1

    So $10k/day of VP should earn you the same base points as $3,000/day coin in on slots. But I think your theo would be more like the equivalent of $1,500 - $2,000 coin in on slots (1.5% - 2%, or $150 to $200). Which is really borderline, so going forward, you'd still get offers but they probably wouldn't be great. Possibly discounts but no comp nights.

    A mostly-VP player here will be able to give you exact numbers on what they play and what they get on a regular basis.

    I think if you wanted to generate a really good teaser offer to abuse, you'd have to go on the high side. Personally, the way MGM is going, I don't think I'd invest heavily in establishing a new relationship with them.
     
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  3. grosx2

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    Thanks for the feedback. Re: this last point, I don't plan on leaving CET, but I will renew diamond on my upcoming August trip, with two more trips later this year. Now that I've moved to the west coast and go to Vegas twice as often, I know that I'll easily attain diamond each year, barring any drastic changes to the requirements. Just figured I might try to see what I can get as a secondary, change-of-scenery option to mix things up a little.

    I've considered downtown as well, maybe the D or DTG, though their overall gambling scene seems pretty shaky. GN too, but their quarter VP doesn't seem much better than CET.
     
  4. Chuck2009x

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    Sure. I think if your comp room availability at CET is enough and your stays are short enough where you can get all the nights you need comped at CET for a given trip, I wouldn't spread out too much, although it's nice to have a teaser offer in your pocket.

    A reason to branch out would be if you need extra nights you can't get from CET and in that case, at a $10k/day level on VP, I would lean towards downtown or something just off-strip like Orleans, etc.
     
  5. nostresshere

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    With the bonus levels, it looks like you will easily hit Diamond with only a trip, or two.

    So, give Mlife a try. Keep in mind that Bellagio and Aria are the top of the heap, and much tighter.
     
  6. Kobra2848

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    I'm in the same boat as you being Diamond with CET but enjoy playing at the MGM and Bellagio. Some years I will make Pearl but I regularly get two to three nights comped at MGM Sun-Thur in a Grand Tower King. Earlier this year I had three nights comped and had hoped to give them more play but only really got one day of decent play in. This September I am staying at Aria for the first time for two nights comped along with $75 Freeplay before a five night at PHO I have been getting these same offers for years from MGM even though I have concentrated my play more at CET since becoming Diamond and trying to maintain it.

    Mark
     
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    Thanks Mark, that's encouraging. Now that I know I'll easily maintain diamond each year, but not get near 7* or even diamond level 2, I figure why not try to get some status elsewhere. The way their tier points are earned, I figure I would earn Pearl with two days of play.

    It seems harder to gauge what kind of offers one can expect with MGM than with CET. I see some people post along the lines of what Chuck said, where $10k coin in per day will only get room discounts after an initial teaser offer. But others have similar experiences to you, getting comped nights plus freeplay at one of their top properties, and with a more moderate level of play.
     
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    Yes, it does seem hard to figure. And, it seems to vary back and forth quite a bit. I think the mgmt team moves their "player worth" numbers up and down often. And, of course each casino in their group may do something different. Bellagio & Aria at the top. MGM/Mbay/Mirage in the middle. Luxor/NYNY/Excal towards the bottom. MC sort of middle/bottom I guess. Some may move those around a bit, but that seems to make sense. They got me hooked based on play at Beau Rivage and Gold Strike into Bellagio, then Aria. Those offers tightened up but MBay and Mirage came along and a rare MGM and a few NYNY. Never, ever got mailers or emails from Luxor or Excal.
     
  9. JackAttack

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    I am a former MGM mLife player, but I've moved on to the SunCoast as free hotel stay requirements are much lower than what strip casinos require. I can tell MLife offers are based the Average Daily Theoretical (ADT) system. You have to be willing to compromise on playing a tighter video poker games if you seek on getting offers with just $10k coin in. Yes there is better quality VP in MGM properties than there are in Caesars, but the people in charge are well versed in VP knowledge and will assign very low theoretical loss values to the good VP.

    I heard that even $50k coin in (3 to 4 hours of $5 denomination) on 8/5 Bonus Poker at Bellagio was not enough to earn a hotel stay, it is a high end resort. For MGM, it is good for a three day offer.

    I also heard rumors that the offers are also result based on top of it. If you win big amounts, it can affect the next offer.

    If you are more inclined to play more quality VP and are able to stay in Vegas during the mid week. I do recommend playing VP at Luxor or Excalibur to earn the base points to move up in tier without losing too much of your own bankroll. Once you move up in tiers in mLIFE to Pearl/Gold/Platinum or even NOIR, you will see better preliminary offers from the other MGM properties you have not played. Chances are in the middle of the week, if you get Gold tier, you could pay out of pocket for your stay and get upgraded to a better room as part of the level benefit.
     
  10. Chuck2009x

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    Hang in there OP, eventually a mostly-VP player will come in here and give you the number. Jack's $50k/day for MGM Grand might be right, but sounds a little high. I don;t know what the best HA is at MGM grand but 1.5% HA on $50k would be $750 which should be plenty for a standard room plus some freeplay and resort credit.
     
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    Well I am a mostly-VP player. I was told by several hosts at Bellagio that you need 5k points to cover a comped room. That's $50k coin-in on VP.
    I never played that much per day so I never got any backend comp because my play was not enough to even cover the comped room.
     
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    I should add that to get teaser offers or marketing offers, you don't need that coin-in. Those offers are not purely ADT based.
     
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    I was offered a two night stay at Bellagio in May that I immediately jumped on. It consists of 100 free play and 50 resort credit. My account shows me with 9548 TC and I am pearl. Pretty sure I've only played .25 video poker over the last year. I did a little research and thought I'd share my experience since rediscovering Vegas last summer and see if this info helps anyone.

    Went to Vegas last summer after a five year absence so basically had zero history. We stayed at the Luxor for 4 nights and I'm sure we payed full price. Over that time I put in 3400. coin in at Luxor, 1160. at Excalibur, and 2440. in at the Bellagio. Actually forgot I played there till I looked at the tax info. The losses were (260), (60), and (146) respectively.

    We went back in October of last year with an offer from Excalibur for 3 nights. Tax info shows me putting in 5167. coin in and a loss of (347).

    .Then this past January I went back and stayed at the Excalibur for a 3 night comp. I put 5800. thru Luxor with a (816) loss and 1700 thru the Excalibur with a 10 dollar gain.

    So we were planning on coming to Vegas this summer and I kept getting pretty much the same offers in the spring for Lux/Exc 3 nights 75fp/100rc. Was going to jump on one of those and I think it was May that the Bellagio offer jumped up and also a 2 nite offer from NYNY -which I've never played- popped up. Took advantage of both of those offers before they disappeared.

    As of right now I still have the Lux/Ex offers and also a offer for Bellagio for 2 nites that runs from 6-15 to 12-14 even though I haven't stayed there yet. I'm guessing I could make a reservation for the fall if I wish.

    Not sure if this will answer any questions or create more. My thought is I did not put a lot of coin in but it seems like I spent my whole vacation on a machine.
     
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    More on this: I was told once for two-night stay in a standard room, they wanted at least 7000 points. So that's $35K coin-in on VP per day.
     
  15. JackAttack

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    $10 coin in on VP is 1 express play/comp point on MLife. Thus 7000 points would make it $70k coin-in.

    That is good information provided, but the other half that is missing is possibly the game that has to be played which will make a significant difference to what the player stands to lose.

    9/5 Double Double Bonus and 7/5 Bonus Poker are the two widely available ones on the main floor. If the requirement is on those games, the potential loss amount might not be worth it opposed to paying for the room stays straight up. It will take a long time as well to reach $70k coin in.

    9/7 Double Bonus, 9/6 Double Double Bonus, 8/5 Bonus Poker are the ones available in the high limit rooms, it is easier to meet $70k coin in on $5 and up, the theoretical losses are about half of what is on the main floor.

    Only part of the ADT loss total goes back to the player in the form of comps, the casino has to make money somehow.
     
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    I think that's a more reasonable number for most MGM properties. I think hosts highball numbers. Almost every time I see someone quote a host, the number seems very high compared to what I play and what I get. Granted, I play slots, not VP, but overall, the core math works the same.
     
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    Appreciate all the replies. I tend to agree with Chuck that the figures given by hosts seem to be high. I've seen a number of people say that they only reach pearl or lower-level gold each year, and they get comp room offers along with freeplay and resort credit.

    Looking at some of the host requirements quoted here, $35k coin in per day along with a couple hundred in resort spend will get you to gold in two days. And the $50k per day mentioned for bellagio will get you from zero to platinum over a four day trip.
     
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    So those numbers are what you need to play to get offers starting with your 2nd visit.

    But if you have no play history with them, and you still want to get a teaser offer to use sometime, I don't necessarily think you need to go anywhere near $10k, I think half of that would be enough, maybe even less.

    I think there's maybe some threshold, where, on a first visit, you play above that line, you get a "real" first offer. You play below it, you get a teaser offer. No idea where that line is, but it's undoubtedly way above $10k. But if you're below that line, it may not make much difference how much coin in you do. It may be that $2k and $10k both get the same teaser offer.
     
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    I was talking about Bellagio. Of course hosts always want you to play more , and more.
    But the number seems reasonable. He was talking about my play in particular. I pretended I knew nothing about comps.
    So he didn't even bother telling me coin-in, theo etc. He just looked at my play (coin-in, theo, time, points)
    and used points as the gauge. I mostly played their best games (9/6 JoB, 9/7 TDB, 9/6 DDB, house edge 0.5-1.0%).
    Those machine most likely have 1% as theo.
    $70K coin-in has only $700 in theo, 1/3 of that is $230 which is barely enough for two nights at Bellagio.
    If you remove the EC generated by 7000 points, even less left.

    If someone plays VP games with higher theo, then I am sure it needs less than $70K coin-in.
     
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    The math is right.
    But for me, after many trips this year, I still not reached Platinum.
    over the years, I have been in and out of Mlife Platinum many times.