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Coin in requirements for comped rooms

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Viva Las Vegas, Feb 8, 2014.

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  1. Viva Las Vegas

    Viva Las Vegas Ramblin' Gamblin' Man

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    What are the daily coin in requirements for comped rooms at the following casinos w/ decent VP?

    Coin in updates based on posts / consensus posts are in Red.

    Strip High End
    Aria ($1 3 Play 8/5 BP) $60K coin in
    Bellagio ($2 3 Play 9/6 JOB) $56K coin in

    Strip Mid Tier
    Mandalay Bay ($2 3 Line 8/5 BP) $30K coin in
    MGM ($1 3 Line 9/6 JOB - Any comp reductions for this machine?) $30K coin in (estimate)
    Tropicana ($1 3 Line 8/5 BP STP)

    Downtown
    The D ($1 3-5 Line STP 8/5 BP) $3K coin in - Introductory Player Offer
    California / Fremont / Main Street Station $7k coin in

    Off-strip
    The Orleans ($0.25 5 Play MS 8/5 BP)
    Palms (3-5 Play $0.25 9/6 JOB) $20K - Limited rooms comps BOGOF
    Rampart (10 Play $0.25 9/6 JOB) - $20K (Room, Free Play and Food Comps)
    Red Rock (1 Play $1 9/6 JOB - Any comp reductions?) - $20K coin in
    Sam's Town (1 play progressive $0.25 & $1 9/6 JOB) ($7K room/food, $15k RFB)
    South Point (3 Play $0.25-$1 9/6 JOB)
    Suncoast (1 Play $1 9/6 BDlx)

    I typically get 3 nights and food or free play and average $7-$10k coin in per day at Boyd downtown casinos. CET and 4 Queens are the only other two I have received comps for VP play in Vegas.
     
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  2. meyers67

    meyers67 High-Roller

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    Great question. I hope you get some responses.

    I'm interested in the Bellagio and MGM 9/6 JOB machines. I plan on playing them later this month.
     
  3. dankyone

    dankyone VIP Whale

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    My host at Aria told me $60k/day coin in is required at video poker for a room comp. I can't really verify since I am primarily a blackjack player and the bulk of my theo comes from table play. If you do put that much through the machines on one trip I would imagine your future offers would reflect better than a simple room comp, but again I'm not primarily a VP player.

    That sounds outrageous, but say in the case of 8/5 BP--60,000*.008=480 daily theo. 40% of that is $192. The comp value of a standard room there is $200 so it sounds about right in that context. Many of the properties you list that don't value their rooms so highly will, of course, require far less coin in.

    $1 8/5 BP at Aria is all multi-play, no single line that I am aware of under $5. I did play a 25 play $1 machine there which kicked my a$$.

    Similarly I've never seen 9/6 JOB under $5 at Bellagio--I realize that doesn't mean it isn't there.
     
  4. Boogaloo

    Boogaloo Low-Roller

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    I play a $1 9/6 JOB spinpoker there almost exclusively, putting in about $5-7K coin-in per day and regularly get four free nights with a bit of resort credit to boot.

    There's not apparent comp reduction in terms of freeplay, express comps, etc. - one of the best values on the Strip as far as I'm concerned (which is why it's my favored machine).
     
  5. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Only $5k to $7k/day? Wow.
     
  6. Viva Las Vegas

    Viva Las Vegas Ramblin' Gamblin' Man

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    Excellent posts dankyone and Boogaloo! This is the detail that I was looking for. I will update my OP as responses are posted / confirmed.

    The games and denominations I posted were based on vpFeee2.0 which is usually (but not always) accurate.

    The Aria 3/5/10 line play machines for 8/5 BP and 9/7 DB can be found outside of the high limit room. Spin Poker is also available at the $1 + level for both games.

    The Bellagio $2 3/5/10 line 9/6 JOB games are listed as located outside of the high limit room on Super Star Poker machines in a 5 X 5 bank.

    Both Spin and non-Spin (3/5/10 line) $1 9/6 JOB are available in MGM's High Limit Room. I like MGM, but not much else on that area of the Strip beyond MB. The $6K coin in requirement is even lower than my typical Boyd average playing 9/6 JOB, so I'm not losing game quality but increasing room quality. I can take the Wax between MGM/Downtown easily. I think I'll hit up MGM first during my June trip to seed future comps.

    $2 9/6 JOB 3 line is the upper limit of my VP play.

    I earned free rooms when I first started playing VP at Bellagio, but I was less disciplined about game selection (a lot of 8/5 JOB) and had some of my worst gambling result trips ever during those stays (trying to hit another $1 or even a $2 RSF after my first one at Aria).

    Since the best CET games for me ($1 9/5 JOB 3-5 line) are not very good, I want to limit or eliminate play on those machines. MILFe casinos offer better Strip VP than CET or other competitors (and as an added bonus, much better BJ as well at Aria/Bellagio/MGM for my green chip min level of play) and I may very well return to playing in the MGM family for the first time in 3 years during my next trip.

    When I stayed at Bellagio, the players club quoted similar requirements to what dankyone posted (I couldn't remember if they quoted 4K, 6K or 8K points per day or $40-$80K coin in) which I thought was a lot, but I ended up hitting for a few trips. It was the same at Bellagio and Aria, so I will update both at $60K/day. I know both are looking for $200 + 4 hr/ Blackjack for standard room comps.

    I wouldn't want to chase if things were going bad, but I ended up hitting over $36K coin in in one session a few weeks ago playing 9/5 JOB $1 5 line for 4 hours at PHo since I was doing well even before I hit the RSF. I've had similar 3-4 hour sessions in Tahoe and AC. I now try to stay with $200-$400 outlays max for a session playing anywhere from single line quarter to $1 multi-line.
     
  7. Tubbs

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    I do not have any data to contradict what has been stated. The comp requirements do seem to have been ramped up so much though. There are many reports that $30k coin-in at VP or $150 per hand BJ (maybe slightly lower) was enough for a standard room comp at Bellagio or Aria just 2-3 years ago.

    Have they really bumped up play requirements so much?
     
  8. grosx2

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    CET sure seems to have. Next month will be the first March Madness trip that I couldn't get a comped room. I've gone the last three years fully comped at Ballys or Rio. This year every CET prop is charging me over $100 per night for Friday and Saturday. :cry:

    So my brother and I have a double queen room comped for the weekend (our host combined our offers/status), but WTF? My play last year was certainly not less than previous years, if anything it was a bit higher.
     
  9. sxr007

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    I am staying in CET rooms March 14 thru 21st. All comped rooms. I booked them in early January. I went to Vegas right after that for 3 nights for a convention. Didn't play any house games only poker. When I returned and checked my rate calander, rooms were like close to $100 a night. I though me not playing while I was out there destroyed my comp ability. Maybe the room prices / comp availability jumped instead?
     
  10. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Poker will result if a low theo/adt. Comped rooms count as a visit. They took your play and figured you would do likewise on the next visit. Room rates will reflect what they think they can get from you on the next visit.
     
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    I hope I did not take the thread off-topic when I posted about an increase in expected play for comped rooms. I was referring specifically to Bellagio & Aria.

    I think CET room rates and the impact of not playing on a comped trip are separate topics. I'll try to steer the thread back to the original question about specific VP coin-in requirements for comped rooms at specific casinos. :peace:
     
  12. jms5180

    jms5180 Newbie

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    Can you guys explain what a JOB machine is. And when you say 6k coin in on a machine. What bet does this usually take to do this in a few hours?

    My last trip I tried to play some video poker/slots but I ended up playing machines that were too high and just lost a ton too fast. I usually bring about 3k to gamble with per trip but my last 2 trips I gambled zero so my offers disappeared
     
  13. BayouBengal

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    JOB = Jacks or Better Video Poker

    You may also see DB, DDB or DW which mean Double Bonus, Double Double Bonus and Deuces Wild. Those are all varieties of video poker with different pay tables and require different strategy than JOB.

    Average hands per hour is 400, so you can figure out your coin in based on that. $6k at $1.25 (max coin .25) is 4800 hands so it's take you about 12 hours.
     
  14. CaptainJack

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    Don't get too excited about that $5k-7k coin-in statement...I guarantee you that won't generate offers (beyond casino rate). Offers aren't based on coin-in, they're based on your worth to the casino. That formula is not really hard to figure out...you take the theoretical loss for the machine and multiply your coin-in and then take roughly 35% of that number. Giving a machine $6k coin-in, even if it has a 3% house edge on the paytable, produces a theo loss of $180, and 35% would be about $63 worth of comp.

    Your games with a better return will have a lower theoretical return meaning more coin-in is needed to generate comps. The early reply in this thread that $60k coin-in is necessary for each night of room comp at Bellagio and Aria is pretty spot-on IMO. I play at Aria regularly and give them $120-150k coin-in per day for my Sky Suite stay. Some days I grind that out at $5 single line...other days I play multi-line to power through my requirement and do other things with my day.
     
  15. dankyone

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    Thanks, CaptJack

    Does that $120-150k/day get you an actual suite in skysuites or a regular room? How much food and beverage and is it upfront or on the back end?

    Thanks!
     
  16. Viva Las Vegas

    Viva Las Vegas Ramblin' Gamblin' Man

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    I believe the BJ info is correct, perhaps it is up to $200 now.

    I remember VP coin in being $32K / day based on the old points system when I asked a few years ago. Due to the wide-range of values provided so far, I made calls to the MILFe booths at Bellagio and MGM.

    The Bellagio rep confirmed $56K coin in per day (5,600 points, or 16,800 for slots players). My MGM request for the MILFe booth was instead transfered to a VIP phone rep. They couldn't (or wouldn't) give a point count, but provided an interesting tidbit stating they evaluate both the points earned and the specific VP machine played, which would bring EV into play vs. "dumb points" i.e. giving credit for the same points earned on a 9/6 machine vs. a 7/5 machine.

    The MGM VIP rep said they would comp stays on the back end for anything earned during the trip. I believe the Aria and Bellagio amounts posted in the original post are accurate, though you could get comps for less play based on general corporate MILFe offers.

    Not sure if other additional play is factored into Boogaloo's $6K/day requirement. If it's accurate, especially with EV being considered at 9/6, or $30 in comps based on 40% of EV ($6,000 * 0.5 = $30 typical comps). $30-$40k coin in per day would appear closer to what I would expect for MGM based on the Aria/Bellagio requirements.

    Howver, that is not to say I believe Boogaloo's information is inaccurate. One factor to consider is MGM also throws out corporate and general marketing offers which may be more generous than an "average comp" during slower demand periods. Bellagio and other casinos were pursuing lower tiered play a few years ago, and I was happy to cash in their rooms (and they still did well on their end, well at least until the last trip when I did well playing BJ). I still get poker room rates for MGM and I haven't played there in a few years.

    The last several times I have played at MILFe properties, I didn't bother to get rated. I typically do not get rated and lower my ADT if I am not planning on playing long. Perhaps I'll play in June and see what comes in down the road.

    Hopefully more info will be forthcoming over the next few days. Interested in off-strip Boyd and other properties.
     
  17. travloh

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    Wow.


    Maybe I am missing something. Seems people like me are wasting our time by even having a players card. I go to Vegas once, sometimes twice a year and drop 2-3K. From what I am seeing here, I will NEVER get anything based on what is required for a room comp. I was even going to try to concentrate my blackjack play at CET properties, but it looks worthless unless I can gamble way more per hand. Should I even bother using Total Rewards?:confused:
     
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    Viva Las Vegas Ramblin' Gamblin' Man

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    No, people will earn comps for less play, but you would want to stay and play at the property which rewards you for your preferred game(s), bet level and average time you gamble per day. CET primarily rewards machine play. Their blackjack tables have poor rules. Caesars Palace has their best rules at the $25 level in their higher limit "general population" pit (the round original pit). You won't get much in comps for red or green chip play, and you'll get poor BJ rules at CET properties. Run 1/4 (lose up to $750) of your bankroll through a slot machine and they will consistently give you decent room comps. Wouldn't play slots just to get the comps, but if you like slots CET is the place to play. A lot of people claim their Vegas CET comps based on their local casino play.

    If you play $25+ blackjack, you could get casino rate or even comps depending on the property and length of time you typically play. Downtown would give casino rates or comp you at all but the GN (may get a casino rate or possible comps during slow demand periods), and a few MILFe properties may give you rooms or casino rate at that level w/ 4 hours a day (Excalibur, Luxor, Monte Carlo). LVH would probably comp you as well. If you play $10-$15 per hand, you will not get much unless you play a very long time per day and play at a casino willing to rate that level.

    The point of this thread is to determine what casinos are looking for based on the few decent Strip VP pay tables at the $1 or $2 level. 3-5 Line 9/5 JOB (98.45% EV) is the best game at CET Vegas properties at the $1 level. The games I listed are 99% through 99 1/2%. These are the best VP pay tables for non spin poker machines on the Strip which are eligible for comps (NYNY $0.25 9/6 JOB is not eligible for comps) among standard VP games.

    Based on the high expected daily coin in requirements, it is best for most Vegas travelers, including myself, to avoid committing to such high levels ($40k-$60k coin in per day) of play and just play the amounts and length of time which you prefer, and if you get on a good roll and play more than expected, take advantage of the comps and feeler offers as they come in. I'm comfortable committing to Boyd levels Downtown or at Orleans/Gold Coast, but not MILFe $40-$60k per day levels, with an expected loss of several hundred dollars for a $100 room. If I lose $400-$600 playing VP, I'm likely quiting and switching to BJ or live poker, and/or calling it a day and saving my bullets for tomorrow.

    Hope this helps.
     
  19. dankyone

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    There is a big difference between coin in and losses--I think that is what you may be missing.
     
  20. numeno

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    Total rewards is more generous with room comps.

    For Total Rewards I have family that put in ~200 tier points a day. This is ~$1000 coin in on slot machines. Getting tier points on table games is certainly harder but you still get them. She ends up with free rooms at Quad, and discounts most of the other lower end properties. Your bankroll is higher than hers.

    One issue with table games is short sessions are rarely counted correctly for you. Buying in for $200 and then losing it all within 30 minutes may end up giving you almost nothing. Tracking low level play is simply a problem. Now if you are at that table for a few hours, then I would expect a much more accurate rating.


    At CET and even the lower end MGM properties, $25/hand for 4 hours a day will certainly get something. It may not be a lot of free weekend rooms, but it will be something. So I still would suggest using your card when you play.
     
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