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Coin In at High End Properties V.S. Mid Level Properties

Discussion in 'Comps' started by JonnyS, Jul 23, 2014.

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  1. JonnyS

    JonnyS Newbie

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    Hi,

    My question is in regards to coin in. I am not much of a slot player. I usually play craps, but recently came across bar top blackjack and I really enjoyed it. I played at Sam's Town and for comp points it was considered slot play. I racked up a ton of points, and I am almost to the next level on the B Connected program. My questions are... considering one can play for a very long time on bar top blackjack if the game has fair rules couldn't the slot comp system be manipulated to an advantage for the player? One does not have to risk much bankroll in order to play a considerable amount of coin in. What is considered high coin in at higher end properties like the Bellagio v.s. Mid Level properties like The Tropicana? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. Gofaster87

    Gofaster87 Low-Roller

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    Bellagio will require at least 10x the coin in of Trop to get similar comps. Coin in is only one aspect of it. The game you're playing is a big part of it. I have over 300k coin in per month at one property while my buddy has maybe 80k and his offer/free play is more than triple mine. Why? He plays crappy vp while I play with an advantage. You'll get the most comps playing straight slots. Depending on the video BJ rules you're playing, it might be next in line for theo. VP is less volatile than slots so it takes much more coin in for the same points at most strip properties while some local joints give 1 to 1 on vp play, same as slots. Any games that are positive or close to positive are usually restricted on promos or points.
     
  3. DeMoN2318

    DeMoN2318 The DERS

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    I would consider $15k to $30k coin-in a day "high coin in"...that will get you comped suites at Bellagio
     
  4. Gofaster87

    Gofaster87 Low-Roller

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    Really? I dont know anyone playing below $5 VP that gets comped suites and thats on a weekday. I would think more along the lines of 100k/day for a suite minimum. Maye 30k on straight slots. There is no way hes going to get big comps playing video BJ at Bellagio especially if its rated the same as vp. I could be wrong though, they change ratings all the time. A standalone video BJ may be considered a slot while one mixed with vp(gameking) is rated the same on coin in as vp.
     
  5. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    You found a bartop unit that pays 3 to 2 for a blackjack instead of "even money" (aka 2 for 1)?

    You'll never gain more in comps than the house edge at bartop video blackjack barring some crazy promotion. I think all CET bartops on the Strip have a 4%+ edge. Even money BJ, no splits or double downs.
     
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    DeMoN2318 The DERS

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    agree.

    If the BJ is rated like VP then I would change my numbers by a 10/3 factor...so your 100k is spot on.

    The OP said he was getting rated on BJ like slots...I continued this assumption. Albeit poor in hiendsight since no way the B is gonna rate BJ like Slots...so your VP assumption is more appropriate.

    I based my numbers on JosieCat's TRs and comps. In their TRs they seem to get about 50k to 100k TCs a day which equates to about $15k-$30k coin-in...and they are comped suites at the B.
     
  7. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Bottom line - the answer is no.

    Them guys in the back room are pretty smart.
     
  8. Auggie

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    For manipulating the programs, the quick answer is: No.

    Games with lower house edges tend to earn points slower at almost all of the slot clubs and thats if you can find a good video blackjack game. You mentioned Bellagio, as an example, and its going to be hard to find a good video blackjack at the bar or on the casino floor (but especially at the bar) without going to some pretty high limits.

    But if you could find a good game, using Total Rewards as an example: if they gave you 1 point for every $5 played through (it might be 1 for $10, but just saying if it was $5) that 1 point is worth a penny and to $5 worth of wagers that represents only a fifth of a percent so just to get you to "even" you would have to find a video blackjack game that is 99.8% payback just for that 0.2% to get you to 100%

    For risk vs play: that is entirely situational. It sounds like you found a lot of play for a little bit of money... I've played slots in Las Vegas that have a 10% or higher house edge and gotten lots of play out of them, sometimes even coming out ahead at the end of the day. Thats about all you can really do in the end is just hope for a string of good luck that'll let you keep cycling your money through.

    But I think in the end the most important thing is: you were at a small locals casino, if you go to the places geared to tourists, places where you probably want to game the system for future visits and comps, it is going to be very very difficult to find a video blackjack game with good rules.
     
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