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Club Haters Getting Some Love?

Discussion in 'Vegas Nightlife' started by jdvegas, Mar 25, 2014.

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  1. paperposter

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    im notsure its as much as the club and edm as the very expesive cover charge especialy for men, the ridiculous dress code and the bribes to the doorman so you dont wait an hour or 2. the very long lines.

    alot of this turns off peopeple who dont want to spend the nite in line dealing with bribe takers or bottle pushers.

    a good ultra club where you dont get the upsell , and can get in would be a great improvement.

    and what drunk idiots design half these clubs. hakkassan 5 flights of stairs to walk up

    haze and light one big cluster fuck just try getting to the mens rooms.

    went to hyde the other nite and was dealt like shit by pepe le pew, he tried for a half hout to get a bribe out of me a treaty me like shit, left went to 1oak, no cover walked right in treated great and it was slamed
     
  2. Kickin

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    From your other posts you know the nightlife scene in NY which is mostly upscale lounges and you still have the same thing here with the top ones - strict dress codes, emphasis on bottle service, hard to get in, etc. Maybe to an even greater degree than you see in Vegas, especially in terms of getting in. However, that's not so say it would be the same in Vegas given its a very different crowd.
     
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    the differnce in nyc , you dont have a dress code, you can wear what you want, 99 percent of the clubs dont hve a cover charge, and you dont wait to get in , if your waiting more than 5 minutes your not getting in period.

    doorman in ny are real doorman.there written in major magizines , theres history of top nyc doorman .ny there is a art to get a real mix of a crowd thats the differnce.
    a good club should have, gay, straigh, black, white, all typs , punk rockers , skate kids to 90 year old gradma.

    its the mix that makes it work and vegas lacks it.

    vegas is buy a bottle or pay me 100$ or wait an hour or 2.in vegas they dont care becuase new people come in every 3 days so they dont care how they treat you.

    i nyc they cater to new yorkers not tourist and weekdays are packed.ny
    stay home on weekends or go out after 4 am
     
  4. Kickin

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    I've still had some waits here even when on someone's guestlist, but you're right its different. In Vegas they have a bunch of different long lines like you have at a theme park, over here its usually one line and if they don't let you in they are probably not going to let you in. I disagree about the dress code, perhaps "strict" was a strong word though. I just mean if you're dressed like an IT guy wearing khakis and a polo you're not dressed right even though a pair of jeans and a t-shirt could be fine as long as it looks hip enough. People dress in all different ways, but not like they're better suited for a sports bar.

    I think you're right about the reason its different in Vegas - e.g. transient crowd, lack of history, etc. But I think there is also just a practical reason and that's the size of the clubs. Something like Marquee here is a pretty big space for a NY lounge/club but its a lot smaller than the one in Vegas. If they were more discriminating in Vegas they might not fill up the space, whereas over here they're bounded by that constraint.

    Unless they open up these lounges in Vegas as "mega" lounges instead of more intimate spaces, they might have to be more discriminating as well.
     
  5. klawrey

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    And the club haters are back :rolleyes2:

    In my many visits to Vegas clubs have yet to find the "kiddies" or "plastic money". Lots of cash thrown around, and likely hard earned cash and yes young people can have that.

    It's mind blowing that because you are under a certain age you cannot have expendable money it has to be "plastic money" or credit cards in other words which couldn't be farther from the truth. Just within my family, the top earners are by far the younger generations, maybe that isn't the same for everyone but we've all gotten bachelor degrees as well as some with grad degrees.

    Also, you don't know good service until you've been seated at a table at XS or Marquee and that cocktail waitress goes above and beyond to make sure every drink is done the way you want it.

    As for live performances, some of the best DJs in the world have residencies in the Vegas doing live shows as well as other performing acts doing concert type shows as well.

    Last but not least the "attitudes" of club-goers is probably the furtherest off. I've seen plenty more attitude from the scotch drinker (don't let me kid you I love a good scotch) who got the wrong pour or the pretentious wine drinker at Fizz.

    As these threads always seem to go, let the young vs. old battle commence until the thread is shut down. For me I'll be in the VIP table section and anyone that wants to join me is more than welcome and I don't care if you're 21 or 81 just make sure you're here to have fun! :beer:
     
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    except for marque ,hakkasan , tao , the few new ones there not that big, hyde, haze , the bank are pretty small.rember the big ones are more like concerty venues now in vgas where the top dj getting paid 250k goes on at 1 am and everyone just stands around and watch ,not a true old school nite club

    there is marque in ny its pretty big and and a few more.

    but as for dress code in ny or la ,there isnt one you just have to know how to carry your self, sneakers jeans t-shirt shorts whatever.
    you cant bribe your way in. way more laid back

    http://www.bbook.com/adding-new-york-times-legendary-doorman-list/

    interesting story you might like to read , there was just an article in the ny times about the top ny doorman


    ps if anybody is going top ny, check out steven lewis black book posts he writes all about ny events, ps he designed alot of the clubs in ny also is featured in the move about the limelight club.
     
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    If more bars and lounges like Indigo lounge, Cleopatra's Barge and Chandelier spring up, I would love it.

    However, I think Vegas has plenty great bars and lounges. I so miss Cathouse at Luxor, which was amazing. Luxor also has so many cool bars. Mandalay also has EYEcandy, mix and foundation room. There is plenty out there already.
     
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    Sco - Those are cool spots but I think some properties do lack a class top notch lounge. Wynncore for one. Sure they have Parosol Up and Down but looking out over the casino isn't what I'm talking about. Some nights XS and Surrender are closed and I'd love to see Steve open them up as a high end lounge w/ the good (not pounding) music playing. I'd go to a place like that every night when in town and I personally would pay $$$$ for drinks for the environment.

    As a side note, I'm not a club hater at all. The only thing I don't care for about the whole scene is the "really" out of it people I have to navigate thru when I come down early for coffee about 0630. But hey...it's Vegas so what are you gonna do. In the evening when they all come rolling in, for the most part it adds a good vibe of excitement to a casino I think. Sure you always have a few DB's but that's everywhere in life....hell, I run into them at Lowes on a saturday sometimes...LOL I loved to party to loud music for years...it's just not my thing anymore but I can see where the clubs are probably a ton of fun.
     
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    wynn had a nice small boutique ultra lunge but he closed it to bad.

    he makes to much on the mega clubs:grrr:
     
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    True dat! I stopped buying suits and shirts in HK years ago. Half the price in Shanghai and most HK tailors are from Shanghai anyways. No need to pay the middle man markup for HK rent.
     
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    Ha! Victor Drai vindicates me! http://www.vegastripping.com/news/blog/5279/victor-drai-on-the-death-of-the-dj/
     
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    I like watching Bar Rescue. One of the things I've heard Taffer say is that people will spend about an hour and a half in a bar with decent food and beverages. I wonder how many of us would spend that kind of time in a Vegas bar instead of gambling? I don't necessarily go on vacation to hang out at Toby Keith's place. Or Sammy Hagar's place. Or the former Coyote Ugly.

    That being said, I think Taffer's place to come will be successful. His celebrity will open the place well and his business savvy will keep it profitable.
     
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    While I don't go to clubs, I'm 51, I really have no problem with them or the people whom frequent them. They're producing revenue for Las Vegas, so that's all good.

    Vegas is constantly re-inventing itself so I suppose the pendulum will swing the other way at some unknown point in the future. If it's sooner or later it's no skin off my back. Plenty of other things to do in Vegas and getting all worked up about the club scene is pointless in my case.

    I stick with the things that I like to do in Vegas which makes Las Vegas my oyster.

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    The difference between club lovers and bar lovers is the love for loud music and dancing. Usually this separated by age.

    Also type of music comes into play. An older person may not be into EDM and hip-hop.
     
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    Bar rescue is a joke. More than half of the bars close eventually and most are staged anyways.
     
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    I can appreciate that a bad owner/manager before the show will probably remain a bad one after the show. How did you find out it's over half? I would like to know more about the show and the epilogues of the bars. Where can I read the info that told you it's over half?

    As far as being staged, I feel like the producers absolutely have a plan before they go in. They are prepared. I wonder why, if most are being staged, why don't they stage all of them?
     
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    Google the bars at the end of the shows. I would say at least half keep all the new stuff that Taffer gives them and changes the name back to the prior bar. And 30% of them still close.
     
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    I agree some of it is staged.
    However, 30% closing is pretty darn good being that they were all in trouble prior to his arrival.

    70% survival rate in the competitive bar business is very good considering all the problems these places had before the show.
    It's hard to turn around absentee,alcoholic ,ownership that drink their profits.
     
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    Reminds me of Restaurant Stakeout.

    However, that's even more fake with bad actors included.
     
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    Well, that's been known (not talking about the DJs but the lays). That's why women get in free and guys pay throughout the nation.

    Bottles are going to be high, in part, because the club/bar will stretch a $50 bottle into much more than that in shots and parts of mixers.

    Logically with LGBT, you're number 1 and 2 would change but 3 and 4 wouldn't.

    Drais makes sense on this one note. Watching a show is actually very social. That's why you don't take a lady to the movies on a first date unless she's incredibly easy.

    However, after the show there's after party then the hotel lobby if you play your cards right.
     
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