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CET Seven Stars Table Games Players?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Goosey, Nov 22, 2012.

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  1. Goosey

    Goosey Low-Roller

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    Anyone here a CET Seven Stars player who is primarily a table games player? If so, what type of play did it take?
     
  2. fox

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    I'm hoping someone can reply to this. A close friend of mine plays $100 min blackjack at CET props in the Southeast once a month or so and is still a Gold member. I think he's getting a raw deal.
     
  3. Nevyn

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    Are you only concerned about him getting seven stars, or his rating in general?

    I don't know how long it would take to get seven stars, but you'd think a player his level would have no trouble getting to Diamond, at least.

    Of course, regardless of tier, he ought to be getting nice room offers through the website.
     
  4. fox

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    Nevyn - Really just general frustration with CET table game comps in general.... I'm hoping at least ONE person can come through and say "Yes, I achieved 7 Stars based on table games alone... this is how I was rated."

    I'm trying to convince him to get away from CET and move to MGM, but he does get the free rooms online, like you said, and he's content with that.
     
  5. leo21

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    Well, considering that it's the holiday, there are a lot of members not online today. If you need answer today, you may want to ask on more than one forum. Otherwise, patience is a virtue!
     
  6. fox

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    Oh no hurry. I only check it every couple of days anyway!
     
  7. CaptainJack

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    I've been Seven Stars for the past 4 years and spend a lot of time in the Seven Stars lounges in AC. I've never met someone who was Seven Stars from table play. I play a fair amount of table play here and there and never bother to give my TR card because I know it won't get me anything. I'd guess Seven Stars would take about $20mil in wagering from what I've seen. So a black chip bettor would need to put in about 200 hours.
     
  8. dunebug81

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    I'm mainly a table games player and I had about 50k tier last year. I generally play once or twice a month at $150-$250/hand at baccarat and about $150 on craps.

    Someone calculated that at baccarat every $1.50 /hour of avg bet would result in 1 tier credit. So $150/hand/hour would get 100 tier credits. Personally that seems low to me but that's a more of an accurate guess than anything I've seen before.

    I've played baccarat with quite a few Sevrn Stars members but who knows if their wife was hammering away at the slots using the same card.
     
  9. sailboat310

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    I have not reached 7 stars ever, but rarely play at CET properties. However my last trip to a local CET property with my ave bet at $1, 700 for 7 hours netted me around 23k points. Not sure exactly how they were rating me.... dont know how my ave bet was under $2k as i play 2 hands with my lowest bet at $1K chips....

    Gave me a day pass to the 7 star lounge which was quite nice. Never really brought up the issue of my ratings until I wanted to get some food..... 7 star lounge has free made to order food and beverage service (hammond, in) property

    The few people I met in the lounge were generally high limit slots players. Also it seems like most were actually family members and not players. According to my host, there are quite a few Asian baccarrat players that are 7star but don't even step foot inside the lounge nor partake in most of the benefits of the card with exception of the free play coupons.

    Would like to hear if there are other benefits to being a 7 Star. I personally just contact my host at Caesar's palace to arrange for all trips, but haven't gone to that property in the last several years due to offers at better properties.
     
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  10. chess

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    I am play and nowhere near 7* but will say this....

    I usually hit the tables at the same time eveRy day and get rapport with the dealers but more importantly the pittboss.....when I was at hurrahs she knew me by name and hooked me up with my rating....I rarely play slots.....like a 90/10 split table to slots...

    I looked at what I was rated 28k coin in for 3 days

    Recently 1600 tie4 for 8 hrs of play which is okayimo
     
  11. LAV

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    I saw this question when it first posted, and I purposely avoided answering it as I don't like to divulge the details of my gambling habits. However, seeing that some of the answers were from non-table players and a lot of speculation, I figured I would chime in.

    I am a seven stars play who play almost exclusively tables. I would say 98% of my play are tables and the 2% I ocassionally dabble with slots just to break things up a little.

    A little background, just my playing tables almost exclusively, I almost earned 7 stars by the end of January. In fact, I was like 97,000+ plus tier points by Jan. 31, and renewed it by beginning of february. Yes, I played strong and frequently during January. I took a long break from mid February for a couple of months because my losses were getting up there. Since, however, since beg. of feb till now, I racked up another 150,000 tier points.

    Before I go into more details, I would like to address the OP's question of whether his friend is being "screwed" for his black chip action in black jack.
    I would like to point out that the number of tier points that dunebug 81 alluded to is actually pretty close.

    CET gives very, very, very little tier points and comps for players 100 and under.

    I will give you an example (and this is by memory only) of some of my gambling sessions and what I earned.

    My game of choice is Pai Gow. I play this almost exclusively. Here and there, I would try some craps, bac, and even black jack, but I would say that 99% of my table gaming now is Pai Gow. Beilieve it or not, Pai Gow does earn more points than bac and bj, at least with CET anyhow.

    During of my gaming sessions in Vegas, I played about 17 hours with an average of $1,400 at a Vegas property. For that I earned like 22,000 tier credits.

    Another time, I played 7 1/2 hours at an average of $800 per hand, and I earned almost 9,000 tier credits.

    AT a local casino in CA., I averaged $2,200 a hand for about 7 hours and I got b10,00etween 8,000 or to, 10,000 tier credits (can't remember exactly but I remebered that I thought it should have been more for the average bet).

    At a local casino in Missouri, I played Pai Gow at an average between 1,500-2,500 for about 11 hours and I received approximately 11,000 tier points.

    Yet at a local casino in Mississippi, I played for about 4 hours and 30 minutes at an average of $250 per hand, I only received about 700 tier points.

    So knowing that at CET, BJ is rated slightly lower than Pai Gow, even if you friend plays 100-150 average, for 4 hours, he would only be getting something like 300 tier points, if not less.
    Say he goes monthly, well if each month is about 300 points. 300 times 10 months, he would still be getting less than the 4,000 tier points required for Platinum. So is he getting screwed? i would argue not. However, if he has a host, his 100-150 average for 4 hours or so will get him discretionary comps.

    I don't associate with a lot of 7 stars, but I the seven stars that I have chatted with have been table players.


    You have people who play roulette, craps, and bac. They, like me, play very little slots.



    Now, is it worth it to get the status? In my opinion, no. It used to be very prestigious. I was one of the original 7 star members when the program was first implemented. AT that time, I was informed (don't know how accurate it was) that there were only a handful. Talk about ass-kissing. There were a lot of exceptions made back then for seven stars. Now, it's the new diamond, I think. Heck, even the new color of the card took on the silver/grayish color of the old diamond card. LOL

    I know that there are a few here who swear that all offers are based on ADT rather than tiers, but at the 7 stars level, even when I low played or no played them from their offers, and my ADT took a major beating ( and I mean major), I was still getting offers left and right.

    I was invited to every single TR event there was at all their properties, even ones I never visited. I get invites to all the seven star events, which I have yet to attend.

    Then there are the signature experiencees, which may include roundtrip airfare, tickets to sporting events, food, etc., that you get once you reached a certain level.

    But in the end, you more than paid for it. Heck as of last check, just for Vegas properties alone, my actual loss for the year is like $164,000. The various local casinos that I have visisted are much less than that of course, but they all show that I have a negative winning. :(

    I recently discussed with another 7 star member whom I became acquainted with on one of the signature experiences sporting event, he simply stated that he would rather get all his losses back and not played than to have earned the status.

    It was prestigious once, but now I can only lament of the past. :(

    Anyhow, I don't want to go into too much more details, but I can tell you that contrary to what you believe, there are a lot of 7 star players who are strictly table players. Of course they are much bigger players than I am. My average can fluctuate between $300-$500 per hand on a trip to about 1,200 a hand on another trip, to $2,500 avg. on a different one. I am all over the place.

    The other stronger 7 stars seem to be pretty heavy betters consistently.

    To be honest, 7 stars is not as hard to achieve playing tables as one would think.

    I hope this helps a little, but I still did not like the question for whatever reason. Perhaps other 7 star table players felt the same as none of chimed in either.
     
  12. boo

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    Thanks LAV. I play PGP also and this was very interesting and informative.
     
  13. Tellafriend

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    I am 7* and play excluisvely table games there. I normally play 0 roulette although i do play some 00. Last Feb or so i posted that i had made 7 * in a day. I was playing on the diamond in a day post. Nonetheless, it was true. Well, mostly. I earned it over a quick 3 day stay, but if you add up the time i played, i determined it was roughly 12-14 hours of play at an average bet of $4500 per spin mostly on 00 roulette which helped my numbers greatly. I reached 100,000 points that trip which could of been in a day. The irony is i don't stay at CET properties, i just get their offers and give them drop in play.

    I trust this answers your query. If you find my post it would probably be more detailed. As for what the previous poster said, there seem to be more and more 7* members, like everything else. My offers, however, vary depeding on my ADT. The free stuff isn't worth it, but then again I'm not giving it away either.
     
  14. dunebug81

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    Wow, 12hr of roulette! I usually have about 10 spins worth of roulette in me and if I win 3 of the 10 I consider it a win.

    $4500 a spin...are you playing purple inside?
     
  15. Tellafriend

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    i typically play quarters, but will run them up to $1k per number straight up and then sometimes as much on splits if I'm hitting.
     
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