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Table Games CET Millionaire 3 card poker

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by CubsBrian, Jan 10, 2014.

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  1. CubsBrian

    CubsBrian Tourist

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    Had a pretty good run at this my last visit(playing at a $5.00 table). got me thinking a bit. With the increasingly bad rules and payouts for blackjack, just how much worse is it in this game with the bonus bet of course?
     
  2. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Still a lot worse. Especially since you are forced to bet all 3 to make the million dollar bet.

    House edge on the ante/play: 3.37% of an ante
    House edge on the pairplus: 7.28%
    House edge on the million dollar bet: 18.10% :vomit:

    Average house edge betting equally on ante, pairplus, and million dollar bet:
    9.58%.

    6 to 5 BJ is usually less than 2.5% house edge with perfect strategy.
     
  3. ams722

    ams722 Side Bet Shunner

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    It's still A LOT LOT LOT LOT LOT worse than the very worst blackjack table you could find in Vegas.

    3 Card Poker Ante bet house edge: 3.37%
    Pair Plus house edge: 7.28%
    6-Card Bonus house edge: 18.09% (!!!!!!!!!!!)

    http://wizardofodds.com/games/three-card-poker/

    I think the worst blackjack game you can find in Vegas is at Caesars Palace in the party pit, and even that game's house edge is only about 2.4%.
     
  4. ams722

    ams722 Side Bet Shunner

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    Damn you beat me to it. Our posts are almost exactly the same. lol
     
  5. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Great WoV/VMB members think alike...:evillaugh
     
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    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    ...now, as for UTH....!

    Here's what the wizard has to say about this game...
    "However for comparison to other games I believe the Element of Risk is more appropriate to look at. The average total amount bet by the end of the hand is 4.152252 times the ante bet. So the element of risk would be 2.185%/4.152252 = 0.526%. "

    :banana:
     
    Seems like forever from now, but the flights are booked, so it counts!
  7. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Yeah, optimal UTH play is a different ball game. A $5 ante game is comparable to a 3 to 2 hit 17 BJ game at $20 a hand in terms of house edge, but the variance of UTH is really rough.

    And of of course the optimal strategy...blah

    Let's see if I have optimal preflop memorized by now (I never play the game tho...lol):

    4X
    33+
    A2s+, A2o+
    K2s+, K5o+
    Q8o+, Q6s+
    J8s+, JTo

    Check all others

    Flop after preflop check (not optimal but simple-ish strategy):
    2X

    Made flushes or straights (duh)
    Any hole card that pairs the board.
    Flush/Straight combo draw
    JT98 open-end straight draw or higher
    3rd nut flush draw or higher (not too common since you 4X most of these)

    Check all others

    River after 2 checks (near optimal):

    When NOT playing the board, CALL if there are LESS than 21 or more single cards that could beat you, otherwise fold.

    When playing the board, CALL if there are LESS than 18 or more single cards that could beat you, otherwise call.

    I have no idea what house edge this strategy will give you, but it will be a lot better than the average player. I can guarantee that much because playing preflop optimally is a BIG DEAL since you can cram in a 4X bet when you have "the best of it". Obviously you can learn more complicated strategies like the one here:

    http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/13299-a-more-coherent-uth-strategy/

    or here:

    http://discountgambling.net/ultimate-texas-holdem/

    ..........

    Of course, the nice thing about Three Card Poker is a clueless drunk can play this optimally. Raise Q64 or better, fold all others.
     
  8. Breeze147

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    Yes, but.......

    I realize it's a sucker bet, but we all play the lottery. It's only a buck at a time and you could get lucky.

    I have done very well at 3CP on occasion. I think it's better than the other carnie games.

    The carnie games are out there and have a huge house edge, but they are also the most fun games in the casino.

    Pick your poison.
     
  9. WHIVGOYTUBE

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    I hate these sucker bets, because I know the house edge and I play them anyways now. :eek:

    GF has been playing 3 Card Poker on the cruise ship and I decide to join her one night. I know the odds, I'm the man! No pair plus betting for me!

    Other's kept saying... PLAY THE PAIR PLUS!

    I open my big mouth, know the house edge, blah blah blah. Within a few hands, got a straight flush. You could hear the "I told you so's, but the table stayed quiet. Faces said something else though. :evillaugh

    But what made it worse was a few hands later, 3 of a kind! Everyone at the table was still being kind and quiet, but I swear the looks on their faces, they were doing everything not to Burst out Laughing! :kill:

    So since then, I have been sucker betting. And for awhile, nothing. Then some smaller hits here and there, and it does add excitement to the game.

    Now for the $5 dollar, one Million Dollar Bet at 18% house edge. :vomit:

    I hate this, but I play it, for..... can you imagine how you would feel if you got the hand, but did not play the spot? :vomit: :vomit: :vomit:

    Even the $100,000 payoff hand. :eek: :vomit:

    Last time in Vegas at good ole Bill's, was dealt A-K-Q of hearts, 1/2 of the smaller $100,000 hand. I was near 3rd base waiting for the dealer to go through everyone's hand.

    And waiting to see the dealer's three cards! My heart was pounding, I mean I could really feel it start to pound, what a rush!!!!

    And the dealer flips over his cards, and..........

    Nothing :cry: When I was hoping to do :faint:

    It is a major (the biggest) sucker bet. So, do you play it when at CET properties :licklips: ?

    Or tell them no thanks? :Þ ?
     
  10. WrongWayWade

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    I can't play 3-card poker, the odds just suck in such a big way. When they invented the game the Pair-Plus was 1-4-6-30-40, but now you can only get 1-3-6-30-40 (sometimes mini-royal for 50). Just changing the flush from 4 units to 3 changed the odds from 2.3% to 7.3%. Yeouch. And without the pair-plus bet, it's pretty dull.

    I will play it if I catch a dealer showing the bottom card of her hand. It's a simple advantage play and you have about a 3.5% advantage if you catch it every time. Wizard of Odds has notes on how to play it. It's not that uncommon to find such dealers.

    http://wizardofodds.com/games/three-card-poker/hole-carding/
     
  11. DonnyC

    DonnyC VIP Whale

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    I don't play the pair plus.

    I know that I am giving up on some bigger wins but I like to grind that game out and make a profit - sometimes.

    What I can tell you is that we see people come and go to our table over and over with $100, while we are still sitting there using our original $60.

    If your a hit and run player then play the long odds.

    If you're a grinder who enjoys to sit and play - don't go for the pairs plus.


    Alternatively if you like the idea of the action of pairs plus, try Let It Ride...as you can pull back your bets on poor hands and still have the $ out their for the longer odds.
     
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