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Video Poker casino laughing at us video poker players

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by patroyal2014, Feb 22, 2014.

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  1. patroyal2014

    patroyal2014 Tourist

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    Do you think the casino makes more money from suckers like us video poker players, who think we can get a royal flush each time we sit at the machine? I realized that after I hit a royal flush at double bonus one time, but there was no skill involved. I just kept the queen and ace flush, and after re-draw, a king, joker, 10 flush appeared. Was that random, or skill?
     
  2. Iu25

    Iu25 High-Roller

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    There is little skill after you hit the button, before hand it takes some skill to know what cards to hold forsure!
     
  3. captainron62

    captainron62 VIP Whale

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    The skill in VP is did you lose $1000 before hitting that Royal, or were you playing perfect strategy and therefore sitting good before the hit??

    For me VP is all about minimizing risk and loss before the big hit comes.
     
  4. patroyal2014

    patroyal2014 Tourist

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    It's funny, because after that royal flush, I ended up breaking even. Now would I spend $1,000 again just to see if I will hit another royal flush again, I think not. I don't think lightning will strike twice for me.






     
  5. Big Tip

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    I have never hit a royal. I probably have to hit three to get back to even on VP.
    Sitting there, watching a game I have a bet on, drinking beer, just re-lazying along is fun though. $3,000 divided by even $4/beer? I might be close to even on that score though. :licklips:
     
  6. Buddha

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    My wife and I are ardent VP players, and together, will often cycle & re-cycle about 7K - 8K per day. Have we hit Royals ? ... Most certainly. Have we had losing streaks, with no Royals ? ... Most certainly. The trick is to play perfect strategy to reduce your losses as much as possible until the big hands show up. Are we ahead, or behind ? ... Actually about even in the last 8 to 10 years ... but all that play gets us free rooms, free meals, and free-play, and THAT puts us way ahead !!! :thumbsup:
     
  7. chess

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    +100000 :thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
  8. Reston

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    If you understand the pay tables, and understand the strategy of the specific game you are playing, VP can provide the best expected return of any casino game. Of course, that only works over the long term (and across many players). Anything can happen in the short term, and anything can happen with an individual player. And, of course, lots of people don't understand the correct strategy nor the pay tables, so....
     
  9. Joe

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    I really don't know how to respond to this. Even though you have to think and and make a decision on which cards to hold, you are equating it to a slot machine, where no decisions are involved?
     
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  10. mgill1974

    mgill1974 Low-Roller

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    I've hit 7 royals, including three in 24 hours. There is actually skill involved, different strategies for different games. I've done quite well playing VP and won't consider playing another game. Sucker? don't think so :beer:
     
  11. patroyal2014

    patroyal2014 Tourist

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    Awesome. Did you really hit 3 royals within 24 hours? Any pictures to prove? :)

    Overall, did you make a loss/profit/break even?


     
  12. swuulumm

    swuulumm Low-Roller

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    *muhahahahahha*

    unfortunately, i am not a casino.
     
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  13. BeeeJay

    BeeeJay President of The Red Lobster Hostess Satisfaction

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    Gaggles & Mackers friend T hit two royals on the same machine in 10 minutes at Bellagio last night. Total take was a little over $2700 on progressive quarters. It pains me to think of the $20K+ that would be for me playing $2! :cry:
     
  14. ruralhipster

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    The casino doesn't laugh at any of the players, some the cater more to, some they insult with the odds on games provided. They are in the business of smiling to your face telling you how much they appreciate your business then stabbing you in the wallet.

    VP is a skill based game with typically minimal odds to the casino that's why they are associated with the bars since alcohol lowers the players skill and increases the house edge.

    VP represents less than 20% of my play but accounts for my 3 largest w2g's. With the new generation of higher variance VP games it can seem at times that they can be money pits, but a seasoned drinker playing 9/6 by the books is likely to end up slightly ahead in the long run once his freebies are factored in.
     
  15. SelfMade

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    The amount of pressure you hit the "deal" button with is very important. Also the ideal time to draw is 4.3s after cards are down.
     
  16. VegasDave

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    I'm way ahead in Ciroc Peach Vodka, I break even pretty often at least, if not end ahead on VP and get my mid level alcohol free. Along with a chance to win $1000 every time I sit down, I always feel ahead!

    Sometimes I sit and play till I am up a few dollars with a full drink and take off. All depends on your strategy :evillaugh
     
  17. dewey089

    dewey089 Guru of Value

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    I don't play at this level, but everything you say makes sense to me. Along with perfect strategy, I feel the need to find pay tables that bring the game as close to 100% as possible. If the best we can do with perfect play is equal slot payback, then we might as well play a slot and not worry about errors.
    Keep track of your VP wins and losses over a decade and then compare that to what it might cost to play golf.
    Jean Scott is the first I read who wrote about how to play full pay video poker and her expectations were exactly as you describe. It was not going to make us rich, but it was going to give us free vacations, covering a good portion of food, hotel, live entertainment, etc.
    While we might hit some short term losses, those only count if we quit playing. I think most on this board have either played a decade or more or will play that long. On a Vegas trip I never put at risk more money than what I would have spent for hotel, food, entertainment as a tourist in some other place. So, even with a lifetime score that is in the "loss" category for my hobby, what does "loss" really mean?
    Overlooked often is the value of "free" in Vegas. When advantaged players watch that Bellagio fountain, it is paid for by folks who are willing to play games that have a much lower expectation than full pay video poker. However, everyone enjoys it.
    Even when you pay for rooms in Vegas, the price is lowered because of expected gambling. No where else, even camping, can I get a vacation of 20 plus days and pay under $15 on average for the hotel room. And many pay $80 for the kind of luxury that would cost double that in any other American city.
    Even in other venues, like Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun there are freebies. Gamblers get free entertainment tickets and scalp them for practically nothing. Or under attended shows drop their own prices to fill seats.

    MyVegas gave my wife and I $700 in value on our last trip, all for entertainment and food for which we would have paid the full price.
    When I could still drink rum, I once took my $10 freeplay at El Cortez and drank about $40 worth of rum while playing penny slots (for 3 cents a pull). After a couple good drinks, those armadillos in Texas Tea keep entertaining over and over again. I cashed out for $6 of the free $10. What else could we do for fun with that sort of value?
    So who is laughing at who in this arrangement?
     
  18. bardolator

    bardolator Lifelong Low Roller

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    No wonder I'm still a RF virgin. I haven't waited the full 4.3 seconds before hitting the button.
     
  19. LV_Bound

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    I don't think they really laugh but more or less salivate at any of us gamblers in any form. :wink2:
     
  20. Dean Martin

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    If you think they're laughing at VP players, they must be rolling on the floor laughing at slot players. Take a look at the points any casino gives you for VP verus what they give you for slots....usually 2x or more for slots...what does that tell you?
     
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