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Video Poker Calling Mathematicians

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by Uranium 235, Mar 2, 2016.

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  1. Uranium 235

    Uranium 235 Tourist

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    Ok folks I know this is not a Vegas trip (coming soon) but I'm hoping you will appreciate my latest pic from Montreux:
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    Fortunately this was tax-free as opposed to my similar win in Vegas.

    Anyway, what is the % return is this JoB machine? I know I should be playing maximum but that would be CHF 10 a hit which is a bit rich for me.
     
  2. Snidely

    Snidely VIP Whale

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    Just a quick look, it's a 6/5 bonus machine that is paying double for 4oak compared to a 6/5JOB machine. Wizard of Odds should have the payback info you're looking for. I'm at work and those gambling sites are blocked. I'd guess it's about a 96% machine if you play max bet. Might be down to 93% or even lower if you short bet like you did.

    That's an expensive machine. Harrah's in AC makes you pay 10 units for the royal flush bonus but only at the $0.25 level. At the $1 denomination, you get the royal bonus of 4000 units at 5 units.
     
  3. Grasp

    Grasp Low-Roller

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    It's 10 coin 6/5 JoB. 93.861% playing it short coin like you were.
     
  4. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Unfortunately most of Europe has poor VP, and some countries don't deal from a random, equally likely deck like Nevada and most US states do. Given the paytable though, it's probably "Vegas Style" VP.

    Nice hit though!
     
  5. wanker751

    wanker751 Dutch Rudder Enthusiast

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    Most 10 credit games I have seen pay 4k royal at 5 credits. Though you do get a a bonus on this one. Nice hit though but yeah... :vomit: regarding that paytable.
     
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    Naturaleight High-Roller

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    What country is that? I would say France but they use the Euro, not "fr" whatever that is.
     
  7. hammie

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    Montreux = Swiss Franc
     
  8. spdandpwr

    spdandpwr Low-Roller

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    Agreed, though I think that paytable isn't TOO bad. Aren't most Vegas VP paytables going to 8/5? At least he gets the six on a more probably hand. And 8k on a Royal is nice!
     
  9. Exedor

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    This is the return for the 10 unit bet:

    Return (%): 94.99
    Standard Deviation: 4.35


    This is the return for your 5 unit bet:

    Return (%): 93.75
    Standard Deviation: 2.32

    I used a web Video Poker Payout Tool for the calculations.
     
  10. flyguyfl

    flyguyfl Low-Roller

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    Are all European VP machines in English? If so I find that strange.
     
  11. JeJas

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    Most of the slots/VP machines in Europe have button to select languages. European people are used to see/hear/speak many different languages
     
  12. JeJas

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    When were you there? I was at Montreux last weekend.
     
  13. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Well keep in mind it's 8000 coins for betting 10, which is the same as 4000 for betting 5.

    And it's pretty bad by vegas standards. It's almost impossible to find a paytable below 94% max payback in the entire US (I never saw one until last year at Bally's ) . But most CET bartops in Vegas have 6/5 JoB now. But it should never be played because they also have 30/6/5 Bonus, which is the exact same paytable except quads get paid 150 credits instead of 125 when betting 5.

    The 5-coin return should be 93.86%. The royal pays 300 for 1 instead of 250 for 1 at 5 coins.
     
  14. TXactuarial

    TXactuarial Low-Roller

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    Ha, you must've never been to South Dakota
     
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    3544quebec Low-Roller

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    All vice and debauchery originates from les Anglais
     
  16. Uranium 235

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    Thanks to everyone for their responses and apologies for not thanking you sooner (I just broke my Tapatalk virginity so bear with me...)

    I won my first Royal a few years ago in Vegas and it hooked me (even though it entailed a USD 400 donation to the IRS). In fact, I would be interested to know what the % return on a regular e.g. 8/6 JoB machine if you deduct the 30% tax for foreigners like me if you win the Royal. I know the casino doesn't get it but I would be interested to know the return from the player's point of view.

    Finally, I presumed the return would be much less than Vegas but I really avoid BJ lately (such a thankless game).
     
  17. Uranium 235

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    Sorry, just to avoid confusion, the IRS actually withheld USD 600 (30%) of my USD 2000 Royal.
     
  18. Kolmeseiska

    Kolmeseiska Low-Roller

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    Are you a French citizen? If so, you've been scammed. You shouldn't have to pay a cent of taxes on your winnings in Las Vegas.
     
  19. Uranium 235

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    Unfortunately it's correct. My own government's embassy site has a FAQ that says you can't get your tax back. It was also a major Strip casino that gave me a tax certificate so I doubt I was scammed.
     
  20. Uranium 235

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    And it depends on which country you're talking about: your home country may not charge you tax on the winnings but the USA certainly can!
     
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