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Caesar's Windsor Sept 16-18

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Trip Reports' started by higgiel, Sep 24, 2013.

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  1. higgiel

    higgiel Low-Roller

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    My Trip Report

    After my last trip to Caesar’s Windsor, where I hit three royals, I was anxious to return. Last month I went alone, but this time my DH joined me. It’s normally a 3.5 hour drive from our house, but this time we had a 1.5 hour delay because of a major accident on the OH turnpike. But we finally arrived, checked into our comped Forum Tower room and got down to the casino for the real purpose of the trip.

    Gambling
    I spent most of my time playing quarter 9/5 DDB video poker. After the terrific results I had last trip, this trip was a big disappointment. I hit only four quads on the first day, nine on the second and one on our last day. I didn’t hit any royals or straight flushes. I didn’t get quad Aces. I only hit three bonus quads, two with the kicker. But I didn’t play as much VP as usual this trip because of shoulder pain. Getting old is tough. Impossible to know if I would have done better if I had played more.

    Last month when I was there, there was a dollar progressive that was over $6K. I figured it was a good play, but the machines don't have DDB or DB, the games I have studied most. They have JoB, TDB and Bonus Poker and perhaps one other game. I thought BP would be a good option, but since I don't normally play it, I didn't want to risk dollar play on a game with an unfamiliar strategy. So I practiced 8/5 BP and returned and checked the pay table. I was quite surprised to find that it was an odd pay table, not the normal 8/5 or even 7/5. It is: 1,1,3,6,8,10,25,40,80,50,250. So the normal BP 2 for 1 payoff for 2 pair was not there, but it paid 6 for one for a straight, 8 for one for a flush and 10 for one for a full house. At first glance, that seemed an OK variation, but after checking my VP for Winners software, I found that the loss of 2 for 1 on the two pair really dooms this pay table. With a $4K royal, the EV is a poor 95.78%; with a $5K royal it moves up to 96.22% and with a $6K royal it is only 96.73%. So I'll no longer be tempted by this progressive. I don't think it could ever get high enough to make it a positive game. I've never before seen such variations in a pay table that still retained the familiar name. I know casinos have the option of choosing which pay table they want to offer, but can they alter individual pay lines?

    When VP was too painful, I went to play Let it Ride, the only table game I play. It’s not hard to find a $5 table there. On Wednesday night, I was playing between a mother and daughter. The mother in the 7th seat was complaining about how much she had lost throughout the day, but she started hitting when I got there. She was dealt trip fours, but didn’t get the 4th one. But the big excitement was yet to come. Later she was dealt the QJ9 of clubs. She pulled back one bet, saying she just wasn’t having much luck. The first dealer card up was the 8 of clubs. She tucked her cards and the dealer turned up the 10 of clubs for a straight flush. This casino has a progressive jackpot for royal flushes at several different games (LIR, Caribbean Stud, Crazy Four Poker and perhaps others. ) The progressive was over $122K and she got 10% of that amount plus the regular payout for the LIR hand. She ended up getting over $14K for that hand and the other players all got a $300 envy bonus. It took more than 30 minutes for them to verify the win and pay us all. Later we learned that a woman playing Crazy 4 Poker earlier in the day got a royal flush, but hadn’t played the dollar bonus bet to qualify for the progressive jackpot. I know some gambling gurus say that the dollar bonus bet is a bad bet with a high house edge, but I’m not going to cheap out on a dollar and lose the chance at $122K for a RF or $12K for a SF. Over the course of three days, I was up a little on LIR, but not much.

    My DH played some VP with me, but he tires of it quickly. He played some blackjack, but mostly played Texas Hold ‘em in the Poker room. Poker room play doesn’t provide much in the way of comps, but it’s what he likes. He didn’t come home a winner either.

    VMB Meet
    Wednesday afternoon we met up with loonar (from this board) and her DH. We had a very enjoyable chat and arranged to have dinner at the Diamond Lounge. Things got complicated when my DH couldn’t find his wallet. After lots of tearing things apart and getting casino security involved, he remembered that he had locked it in the room safe when he went down to the exercise room. As I said earlier, getting old is tough.

    This was a losing trip for both of us. Let’s hope the next one is better. We’re heading back next month for a Vince Gill concert. :wave:
     
  2. ValerieJo

    ValerieJo Low-Roller

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    Thanks for the report. For some reason, we just never get over there even though we're only about 30 minutes away. I'm going to think about making a trip across the river again soon.
     
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  3. higgiel

    higgiel Low-Roller

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    ValerieJo: Before I started going to Windsor, I went to MGM and Greektown in Detroit. I always found Greektown's layout confusing. The last few times I was there happened to coincide with sports events and the place was filled with inebriated and rowdy crowds. It completely ruined the place for me. Also, Greektown never offered me free rooms or concert tickets (as Windsor does). I was only at the new MGM location once and I couldn't buy a win on anything. It was also so cold I had to keep going outside to warm up. And I've never been offered anything significant from the MGM properties. But, although others sometimes complain about the CET Total Rewards club, I have found them to be especially generous. I continuously get offers for free rooms and concerts and never pay for a meal up there. Crossing the border can sometimes be a hassle, but for me it's worth it. :wave:
     
  4. Guardian

    Guardian Low-Roller

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    Windsor

    The wife and I go every weekend. In September if you go every Sunday your RC's are mutiplied by 25. We will earn between $500 to $800 dollars in comps. CET in Windsor is OK by us. I was on a hot streak, hadn't lost anything in 2 months. But this last weekend was a killer.
     
  5. Loonar

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    Hey there higgiel! Glad to hear you made it home safely. I lost my shirt (and then some!) yesterday at Caesars Windsor on blackjack. Didn't matter what I did, how many spots I played, etc, I just could not win a thing. Took a break from it and went over to the Triple Play video poker machine. Got a miracle reprieve from losing with the following hands (playing quarters):

    Dealt four of a kind (3s)....drew one kicker - win 1600 credits
    4 of a kind - Queens - win 250 credits
    Held a pair of 3s - drew 2 more for a 4OK with a kicker (4) - win 800 credits
    Dealt 3 twos - drew 4th 2 plus a 4 - win 800 credits
    Held a pair of 3s - drew 2 more (no kicker) - win 400 credits
    Dealt 4 to a royal - drew the needed Jack of Hearts - Yeah! - win 4000 credits

    Ok, so after all was said and done, still down $1k for the day....but nowhere near as bad a day as it could have been. Seems the machines have warmed up a little....hopefully they'll be in paying mode when you return!

    Guardian - we're also here most weekends. We've also been fortunate to take advantage of the progressive multiplier on the Sundays this month....and yes, we'll still be there tomorrow for the 25x. If you want to say hi, you can find me at one of the triple play machines outside of the high limit room on Sunday.

    Valeriejo - From speaking to many Americans, I find that most who come over to Windsor fit into the following categories:
    - don't have to pay tax on any machine wins
    - don't like the smoke at the Detroit casinos (Windsor is smoke free)
    - feel generally safer in Windsor
    - easy room comps at Caesars (plus able to use them in LV and AC)

    Good luck everyone!
     
  6. higgiel

    higgiel Low-Roller

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    Guardian: It's great that you have a place as nice as Caesar's Windsor to play every weekend. And those multipliers are super. I wish I lived close enough to take advantage of them. We will be there Oct 10-13, perhaps we can arrange a meet. :wave:

    loonar: You had a great run on those triple play machines. Congrats on the royal - that can really turn the day around for you. Sorry you still ended up on the losing side of things. I sure hope the machines are in a paying mood next weekend. Hope to see you then. You know where I'll be. :wave:
     
  7. ValerieJo

    ValerieJo Low-Roller

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    Higgeil - I agree about Greektown. Terrible layout. Have you tried the Hollywood Casino in Toledo?

    Loonar - didn't know Windsor was smoke free. That's good to know. Thanks.
     
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  8. higgiel

    higgiel Low-Roller

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    ValerieJo: I stopped in the Hollywood Toledo casino once on our way home from Windsor. Since my game of choice is video poker, I was not at all impressed by their 7/5 DDB with an EV of 95.7%. I refuse to play such poor pay tables. And if their VP is that bad, my guess is their slots are even worse. Do you go there?
     
  9. ValerieJo

    ValerieJo Low-Roller

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    No, we have not been there. I actually like a little casino in Northern Michigan (in Petosky) called Odawa Casino. We mainly like it because they have $3 craps :)
     
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    mdm4sfest Low-Roller

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    Sorry for the late arrival but was curious if they have priority check-in for Platinum members?
     
  11. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    I missed this thread too initially. Sorry you didn't get any real big hits. :(

    Generally machines only have certain payout settings, but "Bonus Poker" is not necessarily a 2 for 1 payout on 2 pair for all units. So you have to watch out for 1 for 1 Two Pair payouts on poorer paying units. 10/8/5/3/1/1 (94.82% max) is probably the next lowest paytable one usually finds below 6/5/4/3/2/1; the one you found was higher than that obv. The D is notorious for offering 8/5/4/3/1/1 Bonus Poker at their long bar (86.31%). And ironically they offer 8/6 Bonus Deluxe (98.49%) at the same bar!! When I was in Tunica recently, I found a Game King with 10s or better on it for the very first time. But it paid 10/7/5/3/1/1 = 94.69% max. :grrr:

    Also at CET bars in Vegas, Bonus is usually 6/5 (96.87%), but ACE$ Bonus is 10/6/4/2/2/1 = 95.36%.
     
  12. Guardian

    Guardian Low-Roller

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    If you are inquiring about the check in at Caesar's Windsor there are separate lines for Diamond and 7 Stars. I've stayed there at least 50 times and have rarely seen a line at any time. Even for the regular check-in.
     
  13. higgiel

    higgiel Low-Roller

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    tringlomane: I'm not a Bonus Poker player - I've always played either DDB, TB+ or WHA. So I'm surprised at all the variations found on Bonus Poker. I always thought the 2 for 1 on two pair was one of the big draws on JoB and BP. Anyway, do you know anything about the mechanics of the machines? Do the casinos have the ability to change individual paylines on a VP machine or do they just select from many listed games?

    I'll be in your neck of the woods for Thanksgiving. I grew up near St Louis and will be visiting family still in the area. What is your "home" casino? We play at River City and the Casino Queen, but have also been to Ameristar - the site of my first ever royal flush at VP about 11 years ago. :wave: -- Lorna

    Guardian: There are so many Seven Stars and Diamond members in Windsor that Platinum players are lumped in with Gold and non-members. Lines at hotel check-in are usually short. This was among the slowest lines at the box office I've ever seen. Lines at the Artists Cafe and Buffet can get long on weekend nights, especially if there is a show. I don't know why I'mm telling you this - you know much better than I do - you practically live there! :wave: -- Lorna
     
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