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Buy in vs. average bet

Discussion in 'Comps' started by MikeOPensacola, May 22, 2013.

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  1. MikeOPensacola

    MikeOPensacola VIP Whale

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    I've never played for comps, but I do have players cards for casinos I visit. My question is, as a BJ player, do they rate you on your average bet size and your buy in or just your average bet size regardless of how much you buy in for? Thanks......:peace:
     
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    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    buy in per session means absolutely nothing for comps. only actual bankroll amount means something and only when it gets into mid-5 or 6-figures or more. and even that means little unless you consistently lose it. at the upper ends of the comp world, everything is based on actual loss figures.
     
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    Comps are based on how much you bet, how long you bet, and the game you're playing. Obviously, the casinos don't stay in business from the winners, but you don't have to lose to get comps.
     
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    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    though the measurement is average bet, making a larger buy in may at least get the Pit Critters attention. If you buy in for $50, he is gonna notice that and know your average bet will be low.
     
  5. DeMoN2318

    DeMoN2318 The DERS

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    But if you buy in for $10k and get his attention and then bet $10 a hand he is never gonna give you a second look...

    I think rebuying gets noticed more...if you buy in for $100 then lose it and buy in for another $100 and do this several times then it might get tagged as "man this guy doesnt know when to quit...he just keep buying back in...lets keep him around"

    I know if I was writing the computer code to determine comps I would take that into account...
     
  6. MikeOPensacola

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    Thanks for the info gang, much appreciated.:peace:
     
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  7. seviay

    seviay High-Roller

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    As others said, buy-in really doesn't matter. Don't try to be clever with your first bet, either. Some people will play a larger amount their first hand while the pit critter is still watching (to get a high avg bet) and then greatly reduce their bet as though he'll never see you again and couldn't confer with the dealers. Play with what you're comfortable losing, and don't chase comps. Especially with most places reducing the amount they'll comp, it's often cheaper just to buy whatever you're seeking in comps. Good luck! Cheers :beer:
     
  8. Watts

    Watts Low-Roller

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    Definitely the average bet and time played. Sometimes you can buy in low, get lucky and end up playing for hours with a much higher bet than intended.
     
  9. mike_m235

    mike_m235 Tourist

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    I firmly believe that a high buy in helps you get rated correctly when you are playing green chip. Somebody mentioned it before -- it gets the attetion of the pit boss. If I'm betting $50 a hand, I want to make sure I get rated for $50 a hand, so getting the pit boss' attention is useful. A buy in of $1000 wouldn't be out of line.
     
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    yes, if you sit down at a $25 table with $100, the pit boss isn't even going to bother rating you. he figures you'll be gone in 10 minutes, it's a waste of his time. so even if you have $1k to play with and continue to buy in for another $100 when you're felted, it will definitely hurt you. so it is important to sit down with a reasonable buy-in. 20x the table min should do it. but I think the OP was asking more about if sitting down with $10k and then betting green is going to get you better comps than sitting down with $1k.
     
  11. jdvegas

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    Exactly this!

    Average bet and time played is 95%+ of what matters, but buying in with a reasonable amount relative to your average bet is important as a "starting point".
     
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