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Burning Bridges

Discussion in 'Comps' started by ruralhipster, Apr 23, 2015.

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  1. ruralhipster

    ruralhipster Low-Roller

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    I have been getting general marketing offers from several different properties and even have a host at a couple of them. I was thinking on my next Vegas vacation I might double book and low/no play one of the casinos where I don't have a host to take advantage of a couple freebies.

    I'm sure I'm not the first or the last to do this but was wanting to hear other peoples experiences trying this.

    Did your offers lower, disappear or somehow remain the same?

    Any unforeseen repercussions?

    Is it better to do this to a corporate multi-casino players club where you might be lost in the shuffle or a one casino property?
     
  2. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    Did it once about four years ago. And the casino I no played still sent me mailers, but every subsequent offer was for much, much less
     
  3. thecarve

    thecarve Misanthrope

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    In my experience, MGM is the quickest to cut back offers after you low play them. A few trips of stopping in to have a meal and then playing for a half hour or so caused my offers to drop like a stone. (I've actually never stiffed them while taking advantage of an offer but considering how quickly my offers got reduced as my averages went down, I'm fairly confident that no/low playing them while on a comp would have the same result.)

    V/P has been fairly slow to cut back my offers despite my having used them to give friends/family free rooms several times while I'm staying at Wynn. A few times I've given them some action, a few times I've stiffed them.

    Cosmo has continued to send me good offers despite a few low play trips. Though, I've never really "screwed" them. I always give them a few hours of solid gambling per trip (though not enough to "deserve" the value of offers I continue to receive, IMO).

    CET Has been the slowest to cut/reduce offers in my experience. But it was several years ago when I low played them while on an offer. Don't really know how they are today.

    I've never (intentionally) low played a property where I have a host.

    Obviously, YMMV.
     
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  4. MoneyToBurn

    MoneyToBurn Low-Roller

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    CET whacked me a bit after a low play and a subsequent RC redemption on another trip with no play at all. FP and similar offers like gift cards went from the $500s down to $30 or $40, but the quality of the free rooms didn't get cut as drastically. Took a year or so to get back to former levels.
     
  5. 7out7

    7out7 Tourist

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    Burning my MLife bridge next trip. We finally got a Bellagio offer, so we are going for two nights, spending our express comps and not playing a dollar at a MLife property. I have nothing against MLife, just want to try something new. I do wish they were set up like total rewards. I'd love if I can play at Luxor, but stay at MB. Love everything about Mandalay Bay except the casino.
     
  6. BreakEven

    BreakEven Low-Roller

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    Isn't V/P one of the places that warn you in the offer that it's contingent on you maintaining your historical level of play? I thought I'd seen some posts here from people that said they've low/no played them and then had to pay for a room.
     
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  7. thecarve

    thecarve Misanthrope

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    I’ve never been charged for low/no playing them. Perhaps they learned their lesson from that debacle five or six years ago.
     
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  8. bacclover

    bacclover Tourist

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    my personal experience with Mlife is that yes, your offers drop like a rock overnight if you low play ...

    BUT .... on one high trip, all the offers come straight back

    their marketing scanning algorithm weighs on the most recent trip very heavily, as do the VIP hot line reps and the hosts. I've had very limited experience in which the hosts went back pages and pages of play history to find the one time you low played them.

    That's why despite having a host at Aria, I nearly book 99% of my trips through marketing/corporate offers. That way, my host doesn't really get dinged if I low/no play.

    Another note of observation : if you have absolutely ZERO play the during the trip, some algorithms will treat that data point as erroneous and ignore it. YMMV of course. (but LOW play will definitely be identified). If you intend to low play, might as well don't bother giving the players card.
     
  9. EastCoastVegasFan!

    EastCoastVegasFan! High-Roller

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    CET is tricky. I play with a guy I go with all the time, we play 95% at CET properties (AC, Baltimore, LV), we bet around the same, but he gets CRAZY comps, and when booking on TotalRewards.com he gets all his rooms free. I have a small amount to play, but never know what their comping levels are.
     
  10. newmans

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    ADT drives your offers. At CET it will take a few months to catch up, but your offers will drop.
     
  11. EastCoastVegasFan!

    EastCoastVegasFan! High-Roller

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    ADT? What is ADT?
     
  12. Naturaleight

    Naturaleight High-Roller

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    Average daily theo.

    MGM has never sent me corporate offers for some reason, so I can't comment on them. My hosts just always take care of me.

    CET will take awhile for them to catch up; especially if you low play. No play would lillicit a quicker response of shitty offers.

    Cosmo stopped sending me corporate offers after I no played them two trips in a row.

    Venetian, as far as I know, takes a while if little to no play.

    Just curious can you ask us which company you want to low/no play? As far as ethics go, if it's a corporate offer and your not screwing over a host I see no problem with it.
     
  13. bardolator

    bardolator Lifelong Low Roller

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    FYI, "theo" means the amount the odds say you should lose based on what games you play and how much you wager. It's your theoretical loss. ADT is how much you should lose, theoretically, per day of play. The actual amount you do lose (or win) is not a big concern to the casino.

    I have never stiffed a casino with weak play. I doubt that any casino gives out medals (or extra comps) to players like me. it's just my way of showing gratitude for the comp.
     
  14. leo21

    leo21 VIP Whale

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    You only low/no play a casino if you truly do not care if they ever send you an offer again. If you still want them in your lineup for the future, you should really weigh whether the freebies are worth it. As for not having a host, I don't know if that's a reason to burn a casino. Some places are slow on having a host initiate a relationship but that doesn't mean one wouldn't work with you if you requested one.
     
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    Grid VIP Whale

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    Pretty sure it IS set up like Total rewards. You can stay at any property in the MGM crown and play at any property of theirs and it all counts back for you based on your combined coin-in or ADT. The only thing that is screwy is if you book through a host for the room and play somewhere else. They wont get credit for your play but YOU will. Corporate offers are your friend and those are based on the type of player you are (combined at all MGM casinos during your stay). You might not get as strong direct mailers as if you played in one spot, but the same can be said for CET casinos as well.
     
  16. ruralhipster

    ruralhipster Low-Roller

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    I am thinking of staying a night or two mid week at the Cromwell on my next visit. I have offers but I am afraid that if my luck is bad they will think I am short playing them, My usual daily loss limit of $1000 might only be $500 for this trip which if my bad luck holds would only generate an ADT around 1-200 bucks. Slots, VP, or roulette my returns were not great last time I visited the strip but I concentrated two days bankroll during one drunken night at multiple CET properties. As a degen I usually cycle my money "reductio ad nihilum" which works fine until you hit a cold streak and it looks like you are low playing, conversely on lucky days I generate a higher than average ADT.

    I want to keep on decent terms with CET in case I ever travel with a newbie since it's nice to have a free room option on the strip.
     
  17. VegasSchemer

    VegasSchemer Low-Roller

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    If you book through a host at an mLife property and then low play, will they charge you for the room?

    I am considering getting a good room at Bellagio or Mirage and then putting through about 5k a day. Enough that my overall mLife numbers won't take a massive hit but not enough theo to cover the rooms on a busy weekend.
     
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