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Boyd Treasure Chest vp

Discussion in 'Downtown Hotels & Casinos' started by TKO, Oct 18, 2015.

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  1. TKO

    TKO Low-Roller

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    Would I be correct in assuming that the Treasure Chest machines were made FOR the Boyd casinos? I believe they were made by IGT, but I could not find any company name on them. The only markings I found were Boyd. Also, the full pay bonus poker only had Boyd on it. I believe the same is true for Pay the Aces which I have never seen at any casino other than MSS. Just made me a little uncomfortable when I could not find the vp machine maker.

    When playing the above machines on a recent trip to MSS, it just seemed that when we saved 4 cards we would draw the same discard in another suite more often than we should have. If my math is correct, one should hit the same card but different suite once every 15 or 16 times when saving 4 cards. Seemed to happen much more frequently than that. We did not keep a tally, so I'm just saying what it felt like while we were playing. Most players only save 4 cards when going for a full house, straight, or flush so if a machine gives back a similar card it is not likely to help the player. Anyone else had that experience playing these particular machines or any other poker machines?
     
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    Well the machines in question were most likely made by IGT. One way you could confirm this is the serial number plate on the right side of the machine will list the maker and date of production.
     
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    I play treasure chest a lot. I have not noticed this all that much. I know I have had runs like you where I have not made the flush when holding 4 for a long time. Variance is a bitch.

    Yes these machines were made for Boyd. It says Sam Boyd's treasure chest on the game somewhere. I think on the actual chests when you get 4OAK.
     
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    Thanks benbrownjr, will check that on next visit in March or April unless someone gets that done before.
     
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    Believe your right. It does say Sam Boyd on the screen with the tc.

    Would think that was expensive to make such a small number of machines unless they just dressed up the outside (which I'm sure they did) and modified an already made bonus poker program to go to the treasure chest screen. If they can modify a program like that, perhaps there is a bug relating to keeping 4 of a kind ! Most likely answer is what you said. It's the variance. Still, would like to hear if anyone else has noticed what I feel I did.
    Worth noting that when saving 2 pair, one SHOULD BE a little more likely to catch a full house than the same discard of a different suite. Just did not seem like that was happening over our 5 day stay. Since I did not keep a tally and 5 days in the life of a vp player is not long at all, we'll just call it the variance of the game.
     
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    There is a post on the link below that spells out TC poker. It appears to be a custom variation of "Jackpot Poker", a game that I have seen only a handful of times. They speculate that this was an IGT custom build.

    The link appears to be a site that supplies ROMs of various video poker and video slot games for people who own slot machines and wish to reprogram them with alternate/new games.

    Toward the bottom of the post they go into quite a bit of deal about how the FOAK bonus is paid. I believe there are 2 program variants. One for .25 and one for $. The $ variant pays 5000 coins for the top FOAK prize, but the .25 machine pays 4796 coins ($1199) for the big payout.

    http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=341.0
     
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    Yeah, based on the thread in that link, I strongly assume that 8/5 Treasure Chest pays 99.56% at quarters, and 99.58% at dollars. Part of the reason why it's 1 point per $3 at the Cal.

    That thread also says the Jackpot Chest comes 1 every 400 four of a kinds on average, which is 1 in 169,280 hands, 4.214 times rarer than making a Royal on the game on average, assuming optimal strategy.
     
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    Don't tell me the odds son! Jan I will get the 1199!
     
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    That is an excellent post for anyone wanting to know how TC poker might actually work. The part I like is that the payout on the chest for quads may not be predetermined. Just wish they would show you what was under the chests you did NOT pick. Like the poker machines that allow double up. You get to see the cards that you did not pick.

    I generally play DDB. Of course on our last trip I got 4 aces and 4 deuces on TC. Both times received 140 coins. I would just feel better about it if I knew some of the other chests were a higher value. Then I could blame it on my poor decision or luck of the draw and not hold it against the machine.
     
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    I think based on what I read is that once you pick that chest, then the rng stops and awards you the prize. So it did not matter what chest you picked just when you picked yours.

    If you hit far left or far right at the exact same time.... it would have given you that same amount. Which is different than a slot game where you get a bonus with choices.
     
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    the Jackpot Chest comes 1 every 400 four of a kinds on average, which is 1 in 169,280 hands, 4.214 times rarer than making a Royal on the game on average, assuming optimal strategy.

    I guess that explains why the player next to you always leans in whenever it is time to pick your Treasure Chest.:) Seriously, I enjoy anything which promotes community among gamblers.
     
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    Yeah but it can hit more or less frequently of course... just cause I hit it does not mean you cannot. I like the mystery of it... makes it kinds like a slot machine. I ran. It through frugal poker today if you get 140 every time.... it is a 98% machine.
     
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    When I was there first week of this month, MSS was giving 5x on some vp. The Treasure C and other near full pays had a sign on them saying you could not earn promotions on this machine so obviously no 5x here.

    Question. Would you still earn normal slot points and card score points if the machine sign says : No Promotions Earned? I know they gave me 3 scratch cards so that was not an issue.
     
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    I assumed that meant free play but you are probably correct.

    I would assume it would still at the normal rate...they sometimes will run it on slots only. But vp still earned.
     
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    I should have done a much better job tracking the points on my card.
    I think I'll ask the players desk if comps are earned on such machines when I visit next time. Seems to me that the players club has become more friendly and easier to get answers out of over the last few years, at least compared to what it used to be like years ago. They even smile quite a bit now. They used to keep a good poker face when communicating.
     
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    I was not there during a multiplier promo but I did earn at the normal rate. $3 per 1 pt.

    I agree at the players club being nice, I did have a condescending host at the Cal.

    If you log into bconnected online they will tell you earnings per month, even in the current month, If you have not gambled at any Boyd property since your trip the information will be there for you.
     
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    Yes, I do like that feature on their web site. Very easy to find too. Wish all the casinos did that.
    When I said I did not keep track of my points, I should have said for the short time I played the TC vp.
     
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    If the TC machines don't have a points earned display it should be easy enough to log in and out of a different machine before and after a session. I'll make a point of that on the next trip. Does Fremont Casino have quarter TC machines? I don't care for their VP bars and seldom play anything there but penny slots. I usually have points toward their buffet whenever I bother to check.
     
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    They do have a points earned display. Though I think it is a total for the gaming day, not for the session IIRC.

    Fremont has .25 TC machines. They are near the casino elevators by the other cage that is in the back near Keno. Closer to the hotel lobby. They moved them there this year from July 2014. The Casino Manager on the floor said they moved em cause parts are difficult to come by. I am not sure of they took the ones by Dunkin out or off the floor. Just from his tone I would worry they would go away at some point, or maybe consolidate em to one property (this is just a hunch on my part.)

    The Sports book bar has 9/5 jacks and 7/5 bonus, but the other games looked like the same shitty ones at the other bars.
     
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    I expect they will go away just like the 5, then down to 2, and now ZERO Pickem Poker machines that wife and I used to enjoy so much. I know the Pick-a-Pair machines have the same full pay tables, but the machines just don't seem to play the same as the originals. Be careful, the last I looked, 2 of the PAP machines that sit together were not full pay. They sit in the same spot as the last 2 originals sat in which my wife had a royal on 2 years ago,. I really miss the old PAP machines that were in the back room of the LVC. They also had Let it Ride as an alternative game which was a lot of fun and could pay off quite well.
     
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