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Table Games Blackjack, saw it and I'll swear to it

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Breeze147, Sep 1, 2013.

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  1. Breeze147

    Breeze147 Button Man

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    A dealer at the Golden Nugget, an African lady, yelled at this young twerp about splitting 10's. Picture this in that lilting African accent: "Are you stupid? You have the winning hand!"

    I LOL'd. The kid sheepishly waved his hand over his cards and of course, won the hand.:nworthy:
     
  2. Corinne

    Corinne Low-Roller

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    Casino Royale: playing BJ guy asks how to play his hand. Dealer says 'don't ask me, they are your cards, do what you like'.
     
  3. topcard

    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    The "are you stupid?" was uncalled for... but asking him if he was sure he wanted to break up a winning hand would be appropriate....and then calling out "splitting tens!" might have hammered the point home if he still did it.
     
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  4. jhpa

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    That is why I hate blackjack.

    If I have two face cards and the dealer is showing a 5 or a 6, I very well might split them. It is my money and if I want to play a hunch I will.

    I would not take this BS from another player and I certainly would not take it from a dealer.
     
  5. Keyser Soze

    Keyser Soze Low-Roller

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    Dealers should not provide unsolicited advice on playing strategy. For one thing, they don't know basic strategy. They learn the game from ploppies. And another thing, splitting 10's is the correct (index) play depending on the true count and dealers up card.

    Dealers should just shut up and deal.
     
  6. Vagabond

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    I agree with Keyser. For me and BJ, it's just a game of odds between your cards and the dealers card. But splitting a pair of 10's is a pretty stupid move when you already have an almost winning hand, of course if the dealer get's 20 or 21 you're SOL. For me I'll almost always double down on 9-11. I hardly ever split unless I have a pair of Aces.
     
  7. topcard

    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    That's the point. You can be SOL x one bet, or SOL x TWO bets if you split 'em up.

    Yes, there are some unusual situations with the count, in conjunction with the dealer's up-card, in a single or two deck game, that would call for appropriately splitting tens.
    Suffice it to say that it's rare enough that every player's "default" ought to be to stand.

    ...and, for the record, I have no problem with a dealer suggesting that a player might be making the incorrect play. Even just a "are you sure you want to split those?", in my opinion, is perfectly appropriate and is actually good customer service by that dealer.
    If a guy is truly a good counter, and one of those rare situations DOES come up that calls for splitting tens, he won't mind a bit if the dealer were to say that. He'd simply say, "yes, I'm sure."

    Believe me - I've had plenty of dealers make comments about my play, such as doubling A-8, and it's never bothered me. I just tell them 'yeah - I'm sure' & then play my hand.

    I've caught far more crap from other players when I hit my 12 against a dealer 2. And I don't let THAT bother me either.

    (PS - I've also doubled with 12 before, based on the count, and the dealer asked if I was sure, other players gave me crap and my play was called out by the dealer. So what? I knew it was the correct play & I won the hand. So even that didn't bother me - and I certainly didn't fault the dealer for saying what she did to me or calling out my play to the pit).
     
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  8. Dean Martin

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    Exactly why I don't play BJ anymore either...too many experts and coaches on what to do with "your" money. Yea, I played basic strategy and know what the right play is but just like in VP, sometimes you play a hunch and you don't make the text book play/hold.....that's why they call it G-A-M-B-L-I-N-G. I don't know about everybody else but "always" making the texbook play or hold can get pretty boring and I go to Vegas to be entertained and take a chance.
     
  9. jackincols

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    Yep, that's a fact. Only problem is, if you do that and do it often enough, you're sure to bring some unwelcome heat on yourself from the pit critters.
     
  10. topcard

    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    Who said anything about that? But does it actually bother you so much if a dealer asks you if you're sure about a "hunch play" you're making (when it's counter to basic strategy) that you won't play the game anymore?

    Wow.

    I guess different folks see that kind of thing differently.
    I see it as them trying to help the player.
    And I've never ever seen a dealer go beyond an initial comment. If the player says they want to do it, the dealers (I've ever seen, anyway) immediately deal the hand.

    I guess I just don't get why that would bug y'all so much... to the point that you won't play anymore, no less.
     
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    That damn dealer! lol
     
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    That may have been uncalled for but I'll admit if I heard the dealer say that to a player I'd be cracking up too, at least on the inside. :evillaugh
     
  13. Loonar

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    Last year playing while playing BJ at Caesars Windsor, a 20 something guy tries to split his 20. Dealer says no (firmly). He laughs and puts out a second $25 to seriously split his dealt 20. Dealer says "I'm not kidding, I won't allow you to do it". The dealer (female) goes on to say that she doesn't want to be responsible for him getting shot. I'm like wtf is she talking about? Anyway, the story was that some poor guy over in one of the Detroit casinos split his 20 which resulted in the dealer pulling 21 and costing another player at the same table a large bet. Apparently, the guy who split the 20 was shot dead in the garage parking lot later that evening. Long story short, kid at my table did not end up splitting his hand, and I have no idea if the dealer's story was true or not.
     
  14. jhpa

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    And what would happen if not splitting the tens "resulted in" the dealing pulling a 21?
    ...nobody seems to remember those hands.
     
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    All good points but just to clarify, I guess I should have said that not so much the dealer but other "experts" at the table whining made me start looking for something esle to play that was just as enjoyable w/o having to argue w/ some dick about how to gamble my money while I'm on vacation. After that I would still play once in a while but have pretty much migrated totally away from the game and when I want the table game atmosphere, I usually sit down for some PGP now days.
     
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    I'm with topcard on this. Dealers can participate in the game to a limited extent and I don't mind. Not all dealers are ignorant about BJ, and some are more or less sympathetic to players. It's good to know where your current dealer stands.

    Although the dealer in question went too far, I wish I had been at the table when it happened.

    Also, if another player says something to me about the way I play, it just becomes part of the fun. There are myriad comebacks for that, and it is also an opportunity to spread a little cover if cover is desired.
     
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    I always try to remember to make of point of it when it happens at a table I'm playing - Somebody "takes the dealer's ten" with a 5 up-card, but the dealer ends up having a 5 in the hole...and ends up busting after 2 hits...my comment is usually along the lines of, "gee, that worked out pretty well after all!".


    Dean...that makes more sense. It used to bother me, but now I either shrug them off or (every now and then) I change tables.
    IF I stay, I usually inform them after the first 'whine' that they can expect to see similar play from me on future hands, depending on the situation. Sometimes they leave...sometimes they stay...but very rarely do I have to hear them whine again about my play.

    I had one guy who, as he colored up, bitched the whole time about "so many people who don't know how to play."
    After he left, the dealer said "I don't know why he was so upset with you - all of your plays were proper."
    I replied, "It actually doesn't matter, does it?", to which she said, "no...I guess not."
    I tipped her extra that session.
    :beer:
     
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  18. Dean Martin

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    Everybody see's "fun" through their own eyes I guess....part of that is certainly personality but possibly it has to do w/ what different people do (or did) in their "regular" life? In my case, (although I am retired now only work part time) I negotiate contracts and the last thing I want to do on vacation is banter with somebody.
     
  19. Breeze147

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    Dino, I as well am a retired planner/estimator/negotiator and I love the banter. In fact I crave it!!!:poke:

    Back on topic, this lady was giving out lots of advice when people asked for it. When I was playing her head to head, I hardly had to move my hand, because she knew how I played and we both made some money, her in the form of tips. It was a darn good 2 hour session and I ended up over $200 ahead on a $10 table.

    Earlier in the week, at Mirage, I was at a $10 table, sitting at 3rd base, and I LOST $300 over 3 hours. 2 guys were there the whole time and they plus the steady dealer said I never made a mistake over that entire time. Just goes to show, you still have to get the cards.
     
  20. nuggetboy

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    and sometimes it doesn't matter what you do or what you know.

    I think I posted this story a few years ago but I'll give a short version here.
    Was playing BJ at the Nevada Palace so my wife and her sister could play $1 BJ. I was sitting at 3rd base and lowered my head near the rail in boredom. When i opened my eyes I noticed I could see the dealers hole card when she buried it. Holy crap, I thought. This is great.
    I kept my head lowered, upped my bet and then proceeded to lose several hundred dollars. Even knowing what the dealer had in the hole did not help. I busted or she caught 20 or 21 on every hand. Never so frustrated in my life. :grrr:
     
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