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BJ vs Craps vs Let It Ride comps question

Discussion in 'Comps' started by LV_Bound, Jan 12, 2016.

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  1. LV_Bound

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    AT the $5 table for Let It Ride it still requires $15 total bet. For this question lets assume you always bet $15 and never take any bets down.
    Would you get rated the same as playing $15 per hand at BJ?

    What if you did $10 for a total bet of $30 at the Let Ride Table but based on the cards you may bet the entire $30 or even scale it back to $10.
    How would this get rated compared to a $15 per hand BJ?

    Similar scenario with Craps.
    If you just did a $25 Place Bet with Craps would that be rated the same as betting $25 per hand on BJ?
     
  2. Bondy3

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    no, BJ has the least comps of any game. a $100 BJ better will be comped the same as a $25 craps better
     
  3. sindustry

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    For Carny games, most places will not rate you on your total bets. Most places have a set base "betting units" that they rate. In not positive about LIR, but it is possible they only found one betting spot for rating. I know with UTH, Wynn/Encore and V/P, only rate the Ante + Blind + Trips bets....they completely ignore the Play bet. Other casinos will add one unit for the Play bet, while Cosmo now will look at the total of all your bets. In general, casinos like to rate you at the minimum required betting units needed to play the hand. So, with LIR, it will most likely be one unit.
     
  4. Riders

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    I can answer the LIR question. Almost all rate at 1.5 times your single spot bet plus any three card and bonus bet. MB used to rate at 2 times buy stopped a few years ago. So if you bet 10 per spot, your rating would be 15 if they rate that low.

    To add .... a 15 rate on LIR will drive more theo than 15 on BJ and in turn drive better comps. However, with the higher HA on LIR, you will probably still come out better in the pocket by playing BJ.
     
  5. broncofn

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    You are 100% correct with LIR.
     
  6. akhoya362

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    I think one of the high-rollers on VMB (shifter, I think) did a per-hour theo breakdown based on $1,000 a hand a while ago. I have no idea where the thread is now. That breakdown showed craps theo is a bit better than BJ theo, which makes sense given the higher HA. Personally, I feel I get more comp bang for my buck playing craps, but I can't say I've paid all that much attention. (That said, I lose bucks quickly playing craps, although I've had some rough shoes @ blackjack, too.)
     
  7. Samstown man

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    Ill take the wins at BJ WAY over the comps at LIR lol
     
  8. stackinchips

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    Not to Hijack, but does anyone else think that they do LIR backwards? Once you fall below 3x the minimum you can't play anymore. Wouldn't they be better off with a UTH approach where you bet 1 circle, then ADD another bet each round? You could play all the way to the felt. Maybe it's a psychological issue where people are more likely to chase with the money already there vs. adding to their bet? Obviously the name fits the current approach, but it seems the other way would be better.
     
  9. sindustry

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    You mean Mississippi Stud, not UTH. LIR is way more conservative than MS. MS is a recipe for chasing.
     
  10. stackinchips

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    I haven't ever played MS before so I'm not sure. I'm just referencing that it would make more sense if they allowed you to play LIR by betting one unit and adding a unit at each turn, rather than betting three and removing a unit at each turn.
     
  11. sindustry

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    Ah...yes...MS is pretty much LIR Redux...and plays reverse of LIR, except you can bet up to 3x on each play spot.
     
  12. darrenfromindy

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    I respectfully disagree. I think blackjack players are comped better than most craps players. Some casinos rate BJ play at 70 hands an hour (60 is more common). There are more decisions per hour playing blackjack. Craps players ...in many cases...don't get their odds bets rated and places that do rate odds adjust theo loss accordingly. Yes the 1.41 percent house edge on the pass line is a lot higher than decent rules 3:2 blackjack, but there are fewer hands/rolls per hour.
     
  13. Riders

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    IMHO, the LIR game is set up to make the player think they are gaining some sort of edge. The player has already bet everything they can from the start and they can get some of that back if they don't like the cards. They can leave it out if they have a great hand or just want to gamble. However, on UTH/MS you have to go back to your stack if you want chase a big hand. Psychologically, it would appear that LIR you get some of your money back if you don't like it but others you have to put more out. I like LIR and have done well in some years but then again, I might be that simple mind that know that when I bet, I can't lose anymore than what was bet and more often than not, I get some back.
     
  14. stackinchips

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    I think it may come down to theory vs. practice. I think in theory craps should earn more, but because there is so much action going on, your ratings will often not reflect what your true average was. Almost every craps player presses on wins, has multiple bets going (come bets, place numbers, hardways, AT/AS, PL, fire bet, and don't forget C&E and other hop bets). I think most of the time PB aren't accurately taking into account all of that action, simply because there are too many players, with too many bets, that are varying every roll to possibly track it all. In my experience, on a semi-full or full table, when I ask what they had me rated at, it was significantly lower than my true average. It'd be basically my base bet, not taking into account hard ways, presses, adding a 4,5,9, or 10 to my 6 & 8, etc. On a BJ table there's one bet and it's easy to identify who's bet is who's with a quick glance.
     
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    If a $300 buy in at the $25 BJ table were to last 1 hour, who that produce a decent rating?
     
  16. jdvegas

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    An hour at almost any level just won't do much for you. $25 is the bare minimum for the casino to even bother rating you, but you need to put in some consistent offers. If you played at that level for 4 hours a day over a 3 day trip, you might start getting some marketing mailings - but not really "offers" (i.e., that is not enough for even weeknight free rooms... ). For example, 4 hours/day for 3 days at that level would generate maybe $160 in theo... perhaps worth $50 in comps at most.
     
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