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Table Games BJ Bet Spreads

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by blackjacknut, Oct 25, 2013.

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  1. blackjacknut

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    In your experience what have you seen the casinos tolerate with regards to bet spreads in BJ. I know on a DD table wide spreads will get you backed off. But in a typical HL game what have you seen. I was playing HL Blackjack at the Monte Carlo, $100 a hand and spreading my bets 1 to 4 they never batted an eye. Matter of fact I asked the HL pit critter what he had me rated at he said since your playing a progressive I have you rated at $XXX per hand. I thought to myself he didn't even know I was spreading my bets based on the count, I was not playing a progressive strategy.
     
  2. meyers67

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    So you were betting a $100-$400 on a DD game at Monte Carlo with no heat?

    That's good to know. What was your win/loss for the session?
     
  3. Lord Suspect

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    Only time I saw the call come down was at Aria on a DD. He was betting $200 or $2000, very obvious what he was doing. He was told he had to bet flat for the whole shuffle but could continue playing.
     
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    1-4 is no problem at a large strip casino, 1-8 is too much on DD if your bets correlate with the count. If you clearly have no idea what you are doing you can spread all you want.
     
  5. Keyser Soze

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    I agree. 1-4 isn't much of a threat. 1-8 is great but you're not likely to get away with it for long.

    Double deck is a counter trap. If you spread bets with the count you will get backed off. Not a big deal unless you play rated (big mistake).

    You can try to mask your spread:
    bet 2 units off the top
    bet 1 unit when the count is negative
    bet 10 units max bet

    Looks like a 1-5 spread, but it's really 1-10. You can do this at certain casino's for a specified period of time, then go.

    Keep sessions short. If you keep sessions really short, you can use some crazy spreads.
     
  6. MikeOPensacola

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    ^^^^ Totally agree. Keep the sessions short and you can run somewhat wild for a bit. The longer you play, especially at DD or SD, the heat will invariably be too much and you'll be backed off.:peace:
     
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    As one of the greatest blackjack writers said, if you do certain things like split 10s or spread 1-100, they know immediately you are an expert or an idiot. It does not take long to figure out which.
     
  8. meyers67

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    Can you guys recommend a few places to play a good DD game with a low house edge? I will be there next week.

    I'd prefer minimums under $100 ($50 or even $25), but $100 is doable for me.

    Thanks
     
  9. jingber05

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    MGM has a great DD game. of the lowest house odds on the strip. Aria and bellagio are great to. will b there next week also
     
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    Mandalay HL room has a great DD (.20 or .28 HA), but it is $200 min.
     
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    Presumably the question is what will they tolerate is they suspect your bet size is directly related to the count? Otherwise I would not expect a problem.

    I do not count and have spread $100-$2000 on the DD game at Bellagio with no issues. That was a rare event but I have spread 1-8 and 1-10 units at Bellagio & Mirage, starting at $50/$100 on several occasions with no questions asked.
     
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    No it was not on a DD game.
     
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    Mirage and MGM offer S17 double deck at $50 minimums, Aria and Bellagio at $100

    The Stations properties have very good DD games at lower minimums if you are willing to travel off strip.
     
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    i try to play where they know me so there are no issuise but i can go from 100$ to 2000$ over the course of the nite if im chasing or doing good.

    i played at the palms last weekend for an hour and half started at 500$ and bounced between 2000$. won 15 grand .
    i dont count just basic stratigy and tip the dealer when i got 3 bjs in a row:thumbsup:
     
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    Just as an FYI - I always play DD, and when I'm keeping a decent count, my spread runs 1 to 5. Haven't had any heat for years, although that could be because my count is off, or because my play is small ($10 to $50).

    As for low HA DD games? I am now officially in love with Gold Coast. DD, DAS, H17, about 60-65% penetration... no detectable heat spreading 1 to 4 pretty regularly, with the occasional 5x bet.
    No heat at all on multi-dollar 'Lucky-Lady' bets with very positive counts...which actually kind of surprised me. +3 & +4 counts and no visible reaction when I'd come out with a $2 to $4 Lucky-Ladies bet. I almost felt guilty doing it...almost.
     
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    not true. aria is 25 and 50 on graveyard and morning shifts. bellagio DD is USUALLY 100 but is 50 on graveyard. can anyone recall how many DD tables they have seen on the bellagio floor? i want to say 5?



     
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    Your top bet of $50 is too low for 99% of places to ever care (expect maybe the Sweaty Spaniard.) 5-1 spread is probably the bare minimum to actually have an edge.

    I've played massive amounts of 2-deck going $25-$150 and only been bounced a few times. At cheaper shoes I'll go $10-$125 and haven't been noticed yet.

    I like the Lucky Ladies too. If I'm making a max bet I'll put $10 on the LL. It's a great side bet because your regular count tells you everything about the side bet. But you should wait until something like +6 to do it, because the off-the-top edge is massive; just a small positive count doesn't put you at an advantage.

    Where in Vegas do you still see Lucky Ladies (Gold Coast, any others)? Most places seems to have switched to the 3-card poker thing.
     
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    The Golden Gate had a $10 two deck hand pitched game with The Lucky Lady side bet. BJ paid 3:2, but I'm not sure about double after split or s17. I was playing there with a buddy for about an hour and we had the table to ourselves.
     
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    The Fremont still has it on their shoe game and their two-deck games...I think MSS & Cal have it as well, so maybe it's a Boyd thing. But, since of those only Gold Coast allows DAS, it is now my favorite low-limit blackjack casino.
    As for waiting for a +6? In two-deck, that almost never happens.

    I've had decent success playing even +3 counts in the 2-deck game...and even then, I usually only play it when both Q-h are still remaining.
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    Really?!? That's actually great news, as the last time I was at Golden Gate, the only two-deck game they had was in their "high limit salon".

    :thumbsup:
     
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