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Beware of room price changes

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by urbanphotos, Dec 7, 2014.

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  1. urbanphotos

    urbanphotos Tourist

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    So I am about to take my 23rd trip to Las Vegas next week and was going to try the Flamingo because it's one of the few hotels I have not patronized yet.

    Their web site had a "cyber Monday" deal posted on Monday for the GO Luxury strip view rooms, stating they were normally $100 per night and were discounted to $70 per night. I know that Flamingo is a budget property and I didn't want a budget room, so I thought a $100 room would be nice enough to not make me feel like a low roller. So I booked the room.

    Next day I checked the web site again. The same room for the same 2 nights was now priced at "regularly $60, discounted 25 percent to $45 per night."

    I know that rates change, but I've never seen this much of a change for the same room for the same nights. A $50 room might go up to $500 for New Years Eve or something like CES. Prices shouldn't vary 40 percent within 24 hours for the same 2 nights.

    What really got me stoked was the small print that said I would forfeit the first night's charges if I canceled within 7 days of my arrival. Luckily I had more than 7 days left. Had I not I would have been really upset though. "Here's this $100 room for $70.... no, wait, it's REALLY a $60 room, fooled you! And we keep your money if you cancel!!!"

    I sent a complaint through the web site, and Friday someone called me and asked me to call them back to discuss the issue. The 800 number was answered "supervisor room" or something like that. All the guy did was irritate me further with a long winded explanation of how rates can change... then he "offered" me the same room for the same price the web site gave on Tuesday, $45. He even mentioned the RESORT FEE. "So two nights with taxes and RESORT FEE will be $145" or something.

    This is their strategy? You irritate the customer further? I stayed at Caesars Palace 2 years ago, Bill's the year before that, Bally's in 2006, Paris in I forget what year, and Rio twice; 1997 and 2000. I'm no high roller millionaire but was a long time customer of the Harrah's / Caesars Entertainment corporation. Now I no longer trust them, and they don't care.
     
  2. chitownjohn

    chitownjohn High-Roller

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    Rooms are always discounted during non peak travel times which is why I don't do the cyber sales. IMO the whole cyber Monday thing is over hyped. In terms of the rate change, I'm not surprised by the rate fluctuation, I think that happens on a regular basis. Kudos to you for double checking and getting a better rate.
     
  3. bobby jones

    bobby jones Low-Roller

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    Stupid question time from me. I have been going to LV @ once per year for the last decade. I am nowhere near a minnow of a roller but, I get all the CET lower end properties comped (+ Resort fees) including better rooms at the lower end hotels. I even get CP forum and Palace tower on occasion. Quite often I get weekends as well as weekdays. There is some seasonality to the offers but, more or less consistent on the lower end properties. I know I can't get a comped room during CES but, I see the OP and many other posters talking about room rates and I am confused as it appears that most people on here "donate" much more than I do. Am I getting lucky with offers? I play mostly blackjack, a little VP and a little slots. My daily budget is @ $200 for three and four day trips with never a day being more than $500.
     
  4. ademarco6

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    If you sign up and use the Total rewards program, then you will most likely get the lower end properties comped. I always get Harrah, Rio, Ballys, or Paris comped, but rarely Caesars. I am the lowest level of TR, but they seem decent. I always get comped Palazzo/Venetian for some odd reason and it is always for 3-4 nights a piece. Hopefully you sign up for their player cards at respective casinos and use them. They give plenty of offers especially in low season. Have fun!
     
  5. urbanphotos

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    I never get comped because I don't gamble much. But after 22 visits to Las Vegas, most of them during the same week (the week after the Wrangler National Finals rodeo) I know what sort of rates to expect. High end hotels like Wynn, Bellagio, Venetian, Aria, Cosmopolitan, Caesars Augustus and Octavius towers are going to be $120+ for their least expensive rooms. Midrange properties like Monte Carlo, NY NY, Planet Hollywood, Mirage are going to be $50 to $100 for their least expensive to mid-level rooms. Budget properties like Circus Circus, Tropicana, Harrahs, should all be around $50 or less for the basic "deluxe room."

    Flamingo's web site telling me a room is a $100 room but then the next day telling me it's a $60 room is a disparity I haven't seen before since the reservation dates were the same.

    Had they simply listed the prices i wouldn't have been suspicious. It's the way they said "hey this is a $100 room but you can have it for $70" and the next day they said "hey this is a $60 room but you can have it for $45" is plain dishonest.
     
  6. bobby jones

    bobby jones Low-Roller

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    thanks - I for some reason assumed this site was populated by whales and wannabees and when I saw the number of trips....

    Mama always told me not to assume:)
     
  7. JeJas

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    I understand some people don't gamble at all, or even anti-gambling. But I assume that's not the case here for someone who visited Las Vegas so many times. You don't really need to gamble much to get comped at some CET properties. I didn't gamble much in their casinos. I mostly play at MLife, Wynn and Sands casinos, I still get comped at all CET properties. Well, I never take any of their offers at least not yet.
     
  8. urbanphotos

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    I booked 2 nights at Wynn for about $360 total with the tax and resort fee. Flamingo can suck an egg.

    My first time in Las Vegas I stayed in the "garden rooms" at the Sahara for 5 nights. Then I went to Circus Circus twice. I got comped at Westward Ho one time, they offered free rooms to everyone on the alt.vacation.las-vegas Usenet newsgroup... which is now a Google group or something. I finally learned to avoid the cheap properties. Even if you don't spend much time in the room... my memories of eating gummy bad pizza at Circus Circus will haunt me for a lifetime.
     
  9. ajp

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    Wait so your mad the room price went down?
     
  10. Snidely

    Snidely VIP Whale

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    Seems that way. Instead of the Flamingo for $150 it's the Wynn for $360.
     
  11. Snidely

    Snidely VIP Whale

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    The number of trips doesn't correlate the level of play. From what I've read here, many folk's average bet far exceeds my bankroll. Vegas has something for everyone.
     
  12. tringlomane

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    To be fair, most people on this forum are picking Wynn anyway for that difference. Hell me, Mr. Tightass might even have to consider it.

    Unfortunately, CETs cancellation policy is written like crap. It's only 7 days notice if you write a check. Who the hell deposits with a check? For normal online reservations with CC, it's 72 hours.

    This time of year, room rates are capable of falling significantly near the check-in date as CET seems vastly overestimate demand, especially at Flamingo, and prices fall like a rock in December. Also, any cyber Monday sale discounts will stick with vegas rooms for the rest of the year typically because December is slow.

    Furthermore, if you are within a 72 hour window, don't assume you can't get a better price without a cancellation penalty. Staying at Bally's in Dec. 2012, I noticed prices fell for me about 4 hours beyond the cancellation window. So I couldn't cancel on the Web. But I called them up and a CET reservationist cancelled my reservation without penalty so I could rebook online. It saved me ~$35. :thumbsup:
     
  13. vegas superfan

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    So your room went down, and you were able to rebook at the lower price. What exactly is the problem here?
     
  14. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    I am still trying to figure out what the issue here is.

    Room prices change often. Sometimes in a matter of minutes. Up. And down.

    I have read stories about people ready to book a room. They went downstairs to check with their spouse, came back and the room went up in price.

    This is normal stuff.

    What am I missing here?
     
  15. MojaveJoe

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    We go to Vegas in December each year - during a off-peak period where room rates are generally very reasonable. I begin to check rates in September and do so through now. I normally book and re-book multiple times during this period due to rate fluctuations. This year I starting with CP Augustus for $96/night. I booked, it went down to $86 a few weeks later, so I cancelled and re-booked. It then went down to $82, I did the same thing again. A few weeks later, it went down to $80 - so I cancelled and re-booked again. Since that time, the same room has been listed at anywhere between $103 and $120 for the same time period.

    From my experience, the rates change almost daily and if you're using a credit card and booking online, it's pretty easy to check and re-book if necessary to get the lowest rate. It's not conventional like other destinations, but I guess that's Vegas!

    Have fun!
     
  16. leo21

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    I thought the dynamic pricing system only kicked in as actual reservations were booked but now I wonder if a lot of searches because of a sale would do the same. At any rate, things dropped dramatically when they saw they weren't close to being full. I think that if you are going to do a Cyber Monday promo you should be keyed into the regular rates ahead of time. I am surprised that $60 is the low for that room, too. A sale like that is probably best for booking during a convention but not when rooms are usually at Rowe advertised low.
     
  17. Peachiekeehn

    Peachiekeehn High-Roller

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    Makes total sense to me......NOT!!
     
  18. ams722

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    I'd spend $360 for two nights at the Wynn over $150 for two nights at the Flamingo any day of the year.
     
  19. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Since I am not a big Wynn fan, no way would I ever do that. I understand why some people do. That's cool.

    Then again, I would never actually PAY for a CET room. Comped rooms are just way too easy.
     
  20. heatherlovesvegas

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    Rates are ever changing.. if they can get someone.. like you, to pay more, that's what they want.

    $100 a night, for a GO Luxury room, doesn't seem that far off base... $45 seems like an excellent deal for that room. The crappy rooms at Flamingo are dirt cheap, if you want a GO room, it's not exactly "budget" prices all the time.

    Yep, I barely play at Total Rewards, maybe $200 a year.. and I can get comped most week days and some weekends at all the low tier properties. I don't want to stay in those rooms, but i could, for free if I wanted to. I prefer Mlife, even though they don't comp as much. I'm happy with my discounted rates. I'd rather pay $39 for MGM, then stay free at Rio.
     
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