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Best way to get total amount gambled on players card?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Bluskies, Nov 21, 2014.

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  1. Bluskies

    Bluskies Low-Roller

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    I hope you will all forgive what is likely a stupid question...

    When casinos are looking at your players slot card amount played, let's say you put a $20 bill in a machine but win $50 in credits...

    ...if you play that $50 as it exists in your credits on the machine, do they end up counting it as $70 (original $20 plus $50 credits) on your players card or just $20?

    Or is it better to start out this way: put your $20 bill in, win the $50 and cash out, then reinsert the $50? (Also, if it is the latter, is putting a cashout slip for $50 into a slot machine counted the same as a $50 bill would on your card?)

    Thanks, just something I've been wondering because I never seem to have as many points on my players card as I feel like I have gambled.
     
  2. wanker751

    wanker751 Dutch Rudder Enthusiast

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    I am not sure what the casino looks at in terms of wins vs losses but any money you run through a machine counts for points. It is total coin in you get credit for not just original bankroll lost. Often on video poker I will get over 100 points on just $20 or $40 original bankroll. It is 1 pt per $10 coin in at BYD and CET for VP.

    Now for the Win loss statement at the end of the year if you put $20 in, win $50 and put it all back, you get a $20 loss not $70.
     
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  3. BayouBengal

    BayouBengal VIP Whale

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    Every time you hit spin, the meter will accumulate depending on your wager size. And it's coin in that the casino tracks on slots. So if you're at a quarter machine playing 2 credits they see each spin as 50 cents coming in regardless of whether it was your original $20 or won on the machine. Once you've won the money, it's yours! Don't call it house money, it's as good as cash cause it is! So it's totally possible to hit a jackpot early and then play all day without losing your original stake and to the casino you'll like a bigger player than if your $20 evaporated in 40 spins.
     
  4. Auggie

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    Yeah, coin in is all the casino really looks at for that.

    But I was going to mention: you don't want to be doing things like cashing out and putting money back in and taking your card out and re-inserting it, etc: if the casino's loyalty program has some kind of bonus system in place for how long you play at a machine then you just keep resetting your start time and don't earn any bonus credits - Total Rewards is a good example of a program that has that.
     
  5. bjpcyclone

    bjpcyclone High-Roller

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    As others have said, it doesn't matter how much you put in or take out. Its how many times you push the button.
     
  6. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    When you win $20, it is now YOUR money. Every time you hit the spin button, it is now THEIR money, and they count it.

    I often see people cash out small tickets all day long and run the to cash machine to get cash, then put it back in the machine. So stupid.

    To add to stupid, let me share what has happened often. When I get a bonus round, I often pull by card out. A few folks have said I should leave it in so I get more points. DUH! There are no more points to earn as I am not longer betting any money. Wow!

    I take the card out for two reason - 1)To try and force myself to get up and try another machine and 2)Not show the big win in the win/loss column. And, yes, I know both of those reason are STUPID and WRONG, but heh.... so is gambling.
     
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    Wow.....I think that's brilliant!!! Have you got a handpay in that scenario, and if so, did they ask for your players card??
     
  8. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    I think they always want to see the players card with a handpay. I always give it to them, so not sure if I did not. I have had many many jackpots/hand pays with my wifes card in the machine. But, with one very rare exception, they always made out the IRS forms in my name. Do they all show up on the win/loss statements? No idea, but I do file them along with my losses. I never win, other than for a few hours.
     
  9. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    By the way, your points are earned based on what is bet. At CET for example, every $5 bet earns one point. On those machines that show your points, you can actually see it move based on your play. Each casino has their own "number" they use for awarding points. Most give half as many points for Video Poker. Some give less on certain machines, especially at MLife casinos. And, most give the number on their website, not all.
     
  10. DaiLun

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    One of the reasons they ask for your player's club card with a handpay is also to see if (for US citizens) your IRS information is already in the computer.

    They used to not include handpays in your win/loss calculation for the casino. Now they've figured out a way to do it. If you're an mLife member, when you look at the tax information, any handpays are included in your tracking record.
     
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  11. breanna61

    breanna61 Super Moderator

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    Taking your card out when a bonus hits does nothing...if your card was in when it started, the round plays as though your card was still in the machine.
     
  12. kiwiboy1

    kiwiboy1 Low-Roller

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    Agreed. Card pullling used to work about 10 years ago but these days almost every casino keeps recording until after the hand is over (which includes bonus rounds).

    Try it out. Pull your card a few times during a session and then ask the players club for your win/loss (or coin in and coin out). If it worked it won't match your real win/loss. It's been a while since I have seen this work.
     
  13. redzone

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    I have been in a bonus and after awhile the screen flashes "re-insert card". I just let it flash until the bonus is over and then I re-insert the card. Besides I have fun with all the people who come by and say "Sir, your cards not reading" I say "thank you but they are giving me a five minute time out for not tipping the waitress".
     
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    I was playing in October beside my friend and I quit playing. She doesn't have a card so said to out my card in her machine. She hit a bonus and I took my card out. While her bonus was running, I attempted to activate some point play and a message came up saying " card in use on machine #eg 1234", the machine her bonus was still running on. It definitely keeps the card in play until the bonus is over because I couldn't activate point play on my card until her bonus finished. She won $300 something on that bonus so it'll be on my win/loss now.
     
  15. BayouBengal

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    Win/loss statements from the casino aren't admissable for the irs, in that you can't use them to prove your losses or wins. They're for your records to help reconcile but have no weight with the IRS.
     
  16. Royal Flusher

    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    Yup. And more to the point, card pulling can get you banned from a casino.

    This was used to great effect in years gone by to hide video poker jackpots. When dealt a hand that had a chance of winning big, people would pull their card so the win wouldn't show on their account. Casinos got wise to this and changed their software.
     
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    Ah..........that makes total sense!! Alright, I'll skip on this idea then!
     
  18. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    I am not buying the "pulling card can get you banned" one single bit. Nowhere does anyone say you must have your card in the slot to play. Sorry, but I think that is some old wives tale.
     
  19. Royal Flusher

    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    The point is not that you have to have your card in to play, but that you are attempting to fool the system into thinking you have lost a lot more than you really have, and thus get better comps.
     
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