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Best casino comps at $500 per hand?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by RiddickBull, May 8, 2013.

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  1. RiddickBull

    RiddickBull VIP Whale

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    I plan on going to Vegas with a descent bankroll. I plan to play $500 per hand in baccarat with random bets of $1000 if I feel it. I general stay at casinos such as Aria, Bellagio, etc. What casinos do you think I can get the best comps? I prefer to stay at the nicer casinos.

    I plan on playing 2 shoes at 40-50 hands 2 times per day for 2 out of the 3 days.
     
  2. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    well your main issue is only 8 hours of play over 3 days. that takes your working avg bet down from $500 or so to $333. there's a big difference in comp levels between those 2 numbers. $333 you're lucky to get a mini-suite at RFB at Aria/B while at $500 you'll get a full suite, RFB and some extras thrown in.
     
  3. Vegas24_7

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    Yes, the issue here is you are not getting the full 4 hours per day. I once had $550 per bet for 7.5 hours for a 2 day stay at Mandalay Bay (not an upfront RFB) and the host actually made a point of it that I didn't put in the full 8 hours to get full benefit. I did get my suite comped but because of this, he stuck me with the bill for one of my meals. I was actually quite pissed about it and never used him as a host again. It was the principle that he would do this over 30 minutes of missing play that made me lose it. Not the cost of the meal. None of my other hosts ever did this to me at any of the other properties.
     
  4. shifter

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    that's just a host being a dick. it's not that 4 hours is really magical, it's just that the avg bet numbers they give you are always based on 4 hours per day. twice the bet for 2 hours per day or half the bet for 8 hours per day are exactly the same in the computer. this last trip I only had 3.5 hours total over 2.5 days, but had plenty of theo so everything was picked up of course.
     
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    Oh he was a dick alright. I made an attempt to get an upfront RFB after that incident with the same host and his reply was that I can never get a "full" upfront RFB because I could be opening 5 bottles of wine at $3k each and that would be an instance where they wouldn't comp $15k worth of booze based on my current play. Just the fact that he would mention such a common sense scenario tested my patience with this guy. I never spoke to him again after that.

    I have a new host there now and she's never given me the same type of grief ever.
     
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    Another thing I'd like to add is I don't think it is the necessarily the choice of property that dictates where the best comps are given but more your relationship with the pitboss that is recording your play at the time. If you strike up conversations, give a positive and happy attitude, and tipping the dealers, they will generally give you better ratings.
     
  7. RiddickBull

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    Thank you for the reply. I do know this. I just want to choose the casino that will give me the most for my play. I know the Wynn will most likely only comp my room (not even a suite). I know Aria is not the best in comps. I was thinking the Bellagio.
     
  8. CaptainJack

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    Are you ever actually going to GO to Vegas, RiddickBull? Since the first of the year, you've started 18 threads in this topic, all basically asking the same questions about what it would take to get the most comps for your devised style of play. I'm not even counting the ill-fated martingale system you came up with that got moved to a different forum.

    There's really no way to cheat the system, you're going to get comped in the long-run in proportion to your worth to the casino. Also, in the long-run, you will lose roughly 3x whatever they comp you. It is what it is.

    Go. Play. Report back. Some trips you'll win $5000 betting that way, some trips you'll lose $6000...enjoy the ride.
     
  9. VegasBJ

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    what is your bankroll?

    That will also determine your worth to the casino as to how much money you have at risk. Comps follow what the casino can determine you are putting at risk and what they have a shot at...........

    Playing a low house edge game like Bacc, not playing a full shoe, and not playing long, does not equate to a lot of theo.
     
  10. RiddickBull

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    My bankroll $25k+. I'm just not sure what casino is the best for my level of play.
     
  11. mike_m235

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    It depends on what you want. Do you want the nicest room you can get, or the best service, or the most attention...playing at that level, you could be one of the big players at one of the lower tier properties, and they'd treat you exceptionally well, but then you wouldn't have the best room in town because that room is at a different hotel.

    Regardless of the bet, you're going to get more attention for your level at a 'lower' property than you do at a top one.
     
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    I don't have a much bigger bankroll than that and I get plenty of attention at Aria.
     
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    It sounds like you have figured out Aria/Bellagio are probably the best. Have they SEEN your play before or are you going in telling them what you are going to play? They won't give you RFB on the way in unless you have shown similar play in the past. Likely, with $25000 LOC they will put you in a normal/smallish suite and talk about F&B on the back end.

    Problem is you are really not playing that much. If you plan to play 400 total hands over 3 days betting $500, that is $200,000 in total action in a 1% HA game, which gives the house an expected win of $2000 from you over 3 nights, of which they will comp back 30-40%...which will not come close to covering the suite.

    The game, of course, is volatile and you could lose (or win) the $25k at this level.

    Now, if you can structure your play to convince them you are actually playing 4 hours a day, and/or your average bet is closer to $750...that is another story.
     
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    But you can still get more attention at the lower level props. At MB you can get treated like a king with a low six figure line while at the top end props you're just one of many.
     
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    Of course you get attention anywhere at $500 a hand. "Plenty" is a matter of personal preference, though. If you played $500 a hand at a lower tier place, there would be times when you were the biggest player in the casino, or close to it, and you'd get "more" attention accordingly. Whether "more" equals "better" kind of depends on who you are.

    There have been times when I was playing $100 a hand at the Monte Carlo and I was alone in the high limit room. I had my own dealer, my own waitress, and my own pitboss, none of whom had any other customers. I didn't set it up that way, and I don't care for that, but it happened. So I'd suggest that I got more attention than I'd have got if I was at Aria, where I might not even make the table minimum, depending on what time it was.

    Playing the same level at the Mirage two weekends ago, I barely got the time of day. I was rarely if ever the biggest player at my own table, let alone in the pit.

    I'm not advocating one over the other. Whatever makes you personally happy, that's what you should do.
     
  16. RiddickBull

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    I generally like the higher end properties due to their baccarat lounges/bars and the amount of people playing baccarat.

    Do you think I would get more F&B at a hotel such as MB or Mirage? I do like MB, but the baccarat tables are generally dead (high stakes and lotus room). I don't like the Mirage due to the screen used to keep track of the shoe (vertical board). My brother stays at the Wynn when he goes to Vegas. He says their comps are not the best. I would like to try the Wynn, but at my level, I am considered more of an average player. I think I may try the Bellagio. Aria is the casino I usually stay at and want to try something different.
     
  17. yojimbo1

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    RB, you've received many thoughtful responses to your query.

    Where have you decided to stay?
     
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