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Table Games Behind Betting on Blackjack - Anywhere in Vegas?

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by cxi, Dec 3, 2012.

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  1. cxi

    cxi Tourist

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    I first experienced 'behind betting' or the ability to bet on other peoples hands while in Singapore (and I'm sure they have it in Macau as well)

    I'm curious if there is anywhere in vegas which offers this 'luxury'

    Also, on a side note (thinking back to Singapore) any places with continous bj shufflers respectively?

    Thanks!
     
  2. Pinny Long

    Pinny Long High-Roller

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    There's a number of places with continuous shufflers, but I don't know specifically which ones.

    Regarding back-betting. I've not seen it anywhere in Vegas. I've only experienced it overseas. It always kind of bugs me, actually. As if I'm not nervous enough with my betting, all of a sudden some dork puts his money on my hand. I don't play "perfect strategy" and there are a couple moves and personal guides I follow myself that are prone to piss someone off if they are expecting me to be their best shot at winning them money.

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  3. celticnoel79

    celticnoel79 Low-Roller

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    I remember the first time ever playing bj in a casino this happened to me also, it was in Glasgow, just a few miles from where I stay. Just seemed like a hand came out of nowhere and placed a bet next to mine, and when I say bet I mean a BIG bet, I looked at the dealer like "What the...?" I dont play strategy or anything and only had just started playing bj so why on Earth would anyone wanna gamble their hard earned on MY PLAYS was beyond me! I dont even play bj anymore but not because of this experience, just I dont get the same thrill as I used to ever since I started playing poker almost 15 years ago now!
     
  4. Pinny Long

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    Thanks! Now that you mention it, I think I might have seen it first when I was playing in New Zealand. I remember someguy putting his money there and I thought the guy was confused or something. I was like, "Uh, you're spot is over there" and it was the dealer that told me that you could bet on other players' hands. I never did.

    I wouldn't want to mess with someone's mojo (same as I would prefer they not mess with mine).

    I suppose if I knew some guy was a professional card counter or something, yeah, it would be nice to have the option to ride in his sidecar, but that's not likely to happen at the chicken scratch tables I sit at.
     
  5. THE FLYING V

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    A couple of years ago the Fallsview Casino in Niagara Falls Canada actually had two BJ tables that had THREE circles silkscreened onto the table to allow three back bets. I didn't realize it at the time, but as the casino got busier, I suddenly had my hand "loaded up" with 4 bets including mine. Never mind the fact that I had three asian gentlemen "hovering" around me like we were wearing the same shirt! I was playing basic strategy, but all of a sudden, two of the "bettors" were "against" my strategy and were nattering away in broken english. That was enough. Stood up and walked away....Never again.
     
  6. airball1996

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    I've had this happen to me when I'm playing pai gow poker, but never on blackjack.
     
  7. fox

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    I have never seen this anywhere in Vegas.

    This leaves so much room for trouble I'm surprised any casino does it. Am I missing something? What If I split/double/surrender?
     
  8. sabre

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    When you double, the back bettor has the option of doubling or not doubling. When you split, the back bettor can also split, or can just play the first split hand for the original wager. This provides a nice advantage opportunity when the front bettor is betting significantly less than the back bettor.

    To my knowledge, Foxwoods was the last casino in the US to allow back betting. I'm sorry to say that my play contributed to its demise.
     
  9. MangoPort

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    Sydney, Australia allows back-betting. I don't mind when people back bet because I'm going to play perfect strategy. However, I don't think they enjoy it much because I don't hesistate to hit a 16 and against a dealer 10 (no surrender) as to opposed to heeving and hawing like I'm deciding if I still want dessert after a huge meal. The fact they don't have to "split with you" is actually a big advantage if you're dealt 88 vs a dealer's 10, but it will drive you mad if they decide not to double on an 11 (you can't double if they don't double)
     
  10. cxi

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    What I always enjoyed about it was... You ever see that guy at the table who is getting dealt all the nice cards while you are getting stiffed? Yea. I love betting on his hand and making a killing.

    One time I sat there in a chair but sitting out and betting on everyone else's hand. Even betting 5$ units I left up 2k.
     
  11. Gregsmt

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    Did it at the mirage 4 years ago. I was on a heater and 2 other players played behind my bet. It may have been continuous shuffle. I can't remember for sure
     
  12. Pinny Long

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    No kidding?
    Wow. I would lose my mind at that!
    I've played Sidney too (Star Casino, I think it was called).
     
  13. donof

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    It definitely happened when I was playing Pai Gow years ago. An Asian guy bet like 1k on my hand after I won a few and it was a loser. Terrible hand- either a a pai gow or a small pair with a low top. I didn't realize it was allowed at the time.
     
  14. Pinny Long

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    I feel like just telling them, "Take a look at my ATM receipts, Buddy! I can assure you betting on my cards is NOT a wise investment!"
     
  15. Canyonero

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    I have played BJ alls over Europe and Asia, and back betting is pretty much standard everywhere. It allows the casino to get more action on a given table. You may find a full table with ppl sitting down, plus the same amount of people or more standing behind them and occasioanlly placing a bet.

    From my observation, in Europe many of them are roulette players. It is their playing spirit: Watching the game unfold, placing a bet only when they feel the time is right.

    I kinda like it and miss it in Vegas. Ppl like to bet behind on my hand. I am a fairly young looking, nice "son in law" type. This attracts old ladies standing at the table.
    Also, I play perfect basic startegy. This seems to attract older males. They watch my play for a couple of hands, and if it seems solid in their opinion, they may start to bet big on my hand. Often, those guys will sit next to me and bet my hand in addition to their own.

    Also, there is some etiquette for betting behind, which most players observe. People almost never try to interfere with my play / my decisions. If they don't like what I do, they will simply not bet my hand anymore. Also it is NOT customary to ask for permission, just place the bet. However, the player that holds the seat may ask people not to bet their hand anymore, which usually repected. You shouldn't ask ppl to pull back a bet they already placed though - and according the house rules in most places you have no right to do so.
     
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