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Baccarat Machines

Discussion in 'Casino Gaming' started by AnabelleT, Apr 12, 2014.

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  1. AnabelleT

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    At one of the local casinos there's a Baccarat machine and I was wondering if it's the same odds as the live game?

    I much prefer to play live, but I wanted to try the machine since I love the game so much.

    On a live game I read that the reason the Banker bet has slightly better odds of hitting is because the hand is dealt second, or something like that, It has to do with how the cards are dealt, but does this also apply to the Baccarat machines?

    How many "decks" are they simulating in the machines, for instance?

    I don't know. I searched online but couldn't find specific info on these Baccarat machines.

    Any info, guys?
     
  2. DMSCR

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    There are various versions from different companies. Which one are you talking about and running into?

    There is:

    1) Organic Baccarat from Interblock which uses an actual 8-deck of cards.
    2) IGT Golden Baccarat which uses a digital deck. Depends on casino. From 6 to 8 deck.
    3) Stadium Baccarat also uses an actual 8-deck. Don't think you can locate this machine anywhere else from what I hear. Sheldon Adelson got exclusive rights and these machines would only appear at his casinos. Namely at the Venetian/Palazzo.
    4) I have not seen it but will in my upcoming trip to Vegas in a few weeks. It is some baccarat machine at the Cosmo that uses holograms.
     
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    I'm pretty sure it's Inteblock, but I'll have to doublecheck. I'm also not sure if it's the "organic" model because I didn't see any evidence of 8 actual decks of cards anywhere. It was all digital.

    Anyway, would it still be more of an edge to bet on Banker in these machines? Or is it different than the live game in this regard?
     
  4. DMSCR

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    Here are some pics of those electronic baccarat machines. Which one did you run into?

    1) [​IMG][​IMG]

    This is IGT Golden Baccarat that uses digital decks.

    2) [​IMG]

    This is the user interface. [​IMG]

    This is Interblock's Organic Baccarat where real decks are used.
     
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    I went to that specific casino today and that's definitely the user interface of the Interblock Baccarat machine.

    I don't want to sound dumb, but where are the real decks? Inside the machine? I couldn't see any indication that this machine used real decks, no mention of it anywhere. If a machine used real decks wouldn't you want to announce it? Or display it somehow?

    Could this be a different Interblock Baccarat machine at the casino I visited?

    Again, I'm curious because I want to know if the "Banker" bet still has slightly better odds with the machines as well.
     
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    I just found this YouTube link
    [YOUTUBE]z1KdUWE07Ho[/YOUTUBE]

    These are NOT the machines this casino I visited is using. So this is not the Baccarat machine with the real decks.

    Does this mean it's a random number generator delivering cards from a "mixed" deck every turn? No shoe?

    This would be very different than the live game, though I know some people would say it doesn't matter, that's it's all random anyway. I prefer the live game and the decks in a shoe.

    I noticed the Baccarat game at Bovada mixes the deck every hand and delivers the cards. Not the same thing at all to me, and I would guess the Banker bet here does NOT have a slightl advantage.

    Am I right?
     
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    The banker (after the 5% comimssion) has a tiny advantage because of the card-drawing rules, not because of how the cards are shuffled. If the electronic machine actually uses 8 decks, 'shuffles' a deck or 8 decks every hand, or just spits out unique cards every hand doesn't make a whit of difference. It's all random, anyway. The house edge is identical no matter how they deliver the cards.
     
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    Ok, great, thank you! This machine I saw is not using a real deck of cards, it's all electronic. You're saying it doesn't matter if it's electronic, the Banker still has slightly better odds, did I understand that correctly?
     
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    With these machines you should be focused on/worry about in how your casino deals with your terminal breaking down. How will this affect your payout and your winnings. In my local casino if your terminal breaks down all your past wins are voided but any losses will still be incurred. Really sucks since it happened to me once. It was only a $75 win (3 units) but imagine it was something much higher. That is why I only deal with real dealers at an actual baccarat table.
     
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    OW! That made me roll my eyes so hard I hurt myself!

    I would venture this is a load of BS and likely illegal for the casino to do this in the laws/regulations set out by your local gaming board.

    If this really did occur then in actually what likely happened is the slot attendant came up to help you, figured you for a chump that would believe anything and then told you this is how it works... then once you were "aww shucks!" and left he reset the machine and cashed out your voucher and pocketed it.
     
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    Then I was a chump and gotten taken for by the attendant. Went up to him and told him what had happened and he came over and reset the machine.
     
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    Even if they reset the machine your credits will still be on there or turn it off entirely and then back on again.

    If you just stop a second and think about the audacity of your claim:

    - what if you had been putting in $20 bills, playing $10 a hand and after each hand you cash the voucher out, put it in your pocket and put in a fresh $20... what are they going to do? Frisk you and take all your vouchers? Take you in to the back room for a strip-search to make sure you aren't hiding any on your person?

    - and why not go back further than just your current session? Like you sit at good ol' terminal 5 cuz thats your lucky one and you do OK, cash out up $100 and then walk over to the blackjack table... three hours later casino security comes up and tells you that there was a problem with terminal 5 they just discovered so they are going to take back your winnings


    When you saw the "malfunction voids all pays and plays" sign on this machine that is referring to the current hand, not all hands played on the machine or hands you have played that session. Its for things like if the machine breaks down in the middle of a hand or the screen stops working or the door has been jimmied by somebody and it locks up.
     
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    Yes. Banker edge: 1.06%. Player edge: 1.24%. Shuffling or electronic cards won't matter. It's all built into the 5% commission on Banker and the (rather strange, IMO) rules about who gets a second card or not.

    I firmly believe the person that invented the drawing rules for Baccarat was under the influence of something strong and probably illegal. :wink2: :beer:
     
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