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Aria first time play comps

Discussion in 'Comps' started by vaagoos, Apr 21, 2012.

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  1. vaagoos

    vaagoos Newbie

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    So, I'll be traveling to Vegas in a couple of months, comped at a CET prop. I want to try out Aria (and Mlife) and also try to maximize my future comps for Mlife. I haven't played at Mlife for many many years and have moved several times since. Here's my plan: sitting down at a table (play bj, craps, bacc) with 10k cash and signing up on the spot for a new Mlife account. My play at Mlife many years ago was very small and so I don't think I ever gave them my SS #. My play will be in line w/ my cash-in amount (200-1000k/hand) and plan to play for only about 4-6 hrs on one day/night of my trip while staying at non Mlife prop. This is about 3 times my normal play but I'm hoping that this might set me up for a couple of nice comps in the beginning w/ Mlife.

    Any suggestions on this idea, or a better way to go in w/ a bang, or how much I will be noticed w/ a 10k cash-in and new players card sign-up? Thanks!
     
  2. loonytoony

    loonytoony VIP Whale

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    My guess is you will get two nights comped at a future visit. I would assume you already got more at CET.
     
  3. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    No sure, but I think you have to go to the mlife counter to get your card.

    Doubt you would impress the Pit Critter and to be honest, it does not matter. He/she is not the one that will decide what future offers you get. Pretty much all of that is done by the computer, based on the current whims of the marketing group. If they are trying to get more people in, you might get better than just room offer. If you hit a month where they are trying to reduce comps, you will get less.

    Comps offered are based on your average play, as seen in the computer. $10k in cash is not going to make any difference.
     
  4. Chuck2009x

    Chuck2009x VIP Whale

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    10k front money won't make as much of an impression as how much you bet.

    If you go in and bet $200 - $1000 a hand for 4 hours while setting up a new account and not staying there, you should get great offers at least from that property.

    Until you take them up on one, after that, your play during that stay will prevail.

    If you go a lot, you might be able to swing multiple trips off of the same initial offer, but eventually, your actual play history will catch up.

    If it's a first trip under MLife, if you're not staying there, I don't think you'll even need to play that high in order to get a good round of initial offers, depends on which casino you chose.
     
  5. Auggie

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    When you are done playing, make sure you check what you were rated at and for how long... you don't want to put up extra action and then be shorted in the end.

    You are giving a range of what you plan to play, $200-1000/hand, bear in mind that the pit boss isn't going to be standing at the table the whole time with a notepad to track what you are betting... so if you are changing up your bets all the time you might get rated at the low end for all your play.

    Although you will likely get future offers from this play, bear in mind that there is no guarantee of that and basically what you are saying is that you are going to put $10,000 at risk in the hopes that the next time you come to Las Vegas you get a room valued around $125-300/night for free for 2-3 nights.

    If you go in as a bigger roller this time around and then then back to your normal level of play next trip after they send you a nice offer, don't be surprised if your future offers dry up because of it. They aren't going to perpetually give you great offers for one good session.

    You would probably get better offers with less risk of ruin if you instead went and got your MLife card first then went to a slot machine and buying in for $1,000 sat and played a nickle slot at around $1-2 per spin for the next 4-5 hours.

    If you want to make sure you are accurately rated and noticed you might want to go there earlier and on a week day than at night and/or on a weekend when its going to be much busier and the tables will be fuller. During the morning and in to the afternoon they often have a few empty tables and tables that are mostly one pit boss watching one or two players.


    We just got back from Las Vegas and stayed at Aria. They gave us one of their standard rooms with a good view comped for three nights with $250 in free play and two free buffets... and my wife and I only gamble a couple of hundred dollars a trip at Aria playing mostly penny slots.

    And really can't stress enough that playing heavily to just get a room free is rarely a winning proposition. Even if you were going after one of the Sky Suites thats still only $700-800 a night... again, there is no guarantee thats what you'll get offered next trip and even if you did thats only going to save you about $2000-2500 for the cost of the room (MGM properties very rarely comp more than three nights up front). For the same $10,000 comps investment you could just pay for the room up front with that over four trips and use some express comps to help pay down the nightly cost of the room - you would probably come back with some money left over from that and be guaranteed you get the room type you are after.
     
  6. vaagoos

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    Thanks for the responses! I want to play larger than normal for one night this trip and I figured I would do it at a new property to try and see if I could have a host introduce him/herself to me and to possible see if I could get RFB and/or a SkySuite for my next trip. I figured if I signed up at a table for the card with the 10k, the pit critters might notice I'm new action and get a host over. Again, I want to play that amount for one of my 3 nights anyways so I figured I would go fishing for some type of higher comps than I normally get by starting at a higher atd. in a new property. I realize that level of comps will be changed quickly after my next play at that property, but figure I'll try and use 'em for one extra nice weekend if I can.
     
  7. Chuck2009x

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    It could be a valid strategy if you want to be a baller for one trip. I'd skip the front money in that case.
     
  8. KingBBInLV

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    The info they use to see if you already have an mlife card is usually your name and birthdate. Most of the time they also have your DL # on the old account. Nowadays they scan your license and also have your picture, I don't know how many years they have been doing that or if they did it the first time you signed up.

    If you want to set up a brand new account your best bet IMO is to use a passport for your ID.

    I would also suggest concentrating your play at a different Mlife casino, $10,000 isn't really that impressive at Aria. At a place like Monte Carlo, Mirage or Mandalay Bay it would go a lot further in regards to comps in a hosts eyes.
     
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  9. JillyFromPhilly

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    $10,000 FM is most likely not going to get you RFB in a sky suite on your next trip - Maybe somewhere else, but not at Aria - likewise, 4-5 hours of play at $200-500/hand won't either - It might get you a host's attention, and if you win & can then play bigger for several hours, maybe it'll get you want you want - maybe - But the level of future comps you're looking for would most likely require more of a history or a much higher LOC or front money for those comps to flow right off the bat first stay - My first stay at Aria, I went in with a $60K LOC & with a host who knew me from Wynn - yes, I got a penthouse sky suite 5 nights comped up front - but full RFB was still contingent on play even at that level.

    You'd be better off concentrating your play where you're staying - it will help you get a full comp where you're at this trip & great future offers there - or try your plan but at a lower tier place than Aria. Don't want to burst your bubble, but that level of play won't impress them at Aria.
     
  10. vaagoos

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    When you say "front money", I always thought that meant wiring the money to the casino prior to arrival. My intention was to just walk up to the table w/ cash. I didn't know if you guys thought that would get me any better offers for future visits vs seeing what a host would do for me ahead of time if I set up a 25k l.o.c. prior to a stay with them.

    Really I guess the core of the question is, what is the best way to enter a new (to me) property (cash in hand for day of gaming and not staying at property, setting up l.o.c. and talking to host prior to a 3 night stay, or something else) to maximize my potential comps? I realize that this is probably only for my first one or two stays with them until my play overrides the comp offers of bringing in a new player, but just wandered if it matters much for the first couple of visits.
     
  11. Chuck2009x

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    Your whole scheme seems to be to fool MGM into thinking you're a big player in order to get one great round of offers.

    Buying in for $10K, signing up for the card at the table, and playing upwards of $1,000 a hand is all fine, but if you sign up for a line of credit, boom, they're going to see a bank balance. Which may pop the balloon.

    So you might want to skip the line of credit.
     
  12. shifter

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    sounds like a potentially very expensive proposition with very little upside. $200 avg bet is only going to get you a basic room and some F&B at Aria. $1k avg could get you a nice smaller skysuite at RFB, but with only $10k to play with, the chances that you will lose the $10k playing at that level before you can put any sort of time in is quite high. if you lost the $10k in 15 minutes, you'd get absolutely nothing in comps right then or on your next trip.

    the only potential upside you have is that you get a little lucky and are able to play for a few hours at a high average. sure that might get you an offer for a nice suite next trip, but that's it. definitely no F&B up front is ever given on a first trip from an unknown, so you won't get that. and if your next trip play is lower as you expect it to be, there will be no suite on future trips.

    so you're risking $10k to try to get a $300/night suite comped for 3 nights. trying to game the system is fine, but in this case, your risk is way bigger than the potential reward.
     
  13. JillyFromPhilly

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    Generally, without an established record of play at a property, wired front money in advance - the more the better - would likely get you the most attention - they know you're serious, and how much you have - generally, that would give you the most leeway to negotiate "up front" comps - but it would have to be a very substantial amount.

    After that, A nice size LOC would probably be next - they'll assume you're serious - but first trip, they'd most likely do what they did for me - give you the suite upfront, everything else end of trip based upon play - and if you don't play to the expectations generated by the size of your line, forget anything other than what you negotiated up front.

    Cash on hand just walking in will actually get you the least attention - they don't know if you have any more than what you bought in for - and in your case, it sounds like you wouldn't have anything more - so as Shifter pointed out, they'd still want to see how long you last & play and at what level - so with just cash off the street you'd strictly just be getting the standard formula [length of play x average bet] without the added attention you'd get from depositing front money or opening a LOC ahead of time. You might get a dinner comp from the pit boss - especially if you blow that $10K quick - but have another $10K in your pocket to buy in with after that unless you win & can play for several hours at that level or - that's probably about it.

    Here's another example from personal experience - I never played at the Palazzo before my last trip - was staying at Aria, having bad luck - so walked down to Palazzo & bought in for $5k & started playing baccarat - hit a hot streak. After 45 minutes, host came up & gave me a card - asked for a comp lunch after he gave me the "if there's anything I can do for you..." spiel, got one. After I got home, this host started courting me pretty bad to stay at Palazzo - I'm staying at Aria again on my trip next month - but since I do like some of the restaurants at the Palazzo what I did do is set up a second LOC at Palazzo & agree on one day of my trip next month to go down to the Palazzo & play for a bit, and in return they're going to comp me Breakfast, Lunch & Dinner at Morel's, First Food & Carnevino and also give me a tour of the property & some suites in the hopes of getting me to stay there in the future - hopefully that will give you a realistic idea of how to "break in" at a new property.

    In the "old days", sure, just showing up with a wad of cash would get you comps right off the bat - but nowadays the operators are more corporate and they need a lot more convincing that you're a serious, long term player before they'll start going beyond the standard players club ratings & offers that everyone gets and really start rolling out the red carpet, so to speak.
     
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  14. vaagoos

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    Thanks for all the great info. I'm already full comped at cet and cosmo, for some odd reason, I feel like mixing it up and giving the MGM properties a chance. I figured since I want to play bigger (for me) one night anyways, I might as well play big while trying out a new place. Shifter - the point of playing big is to WIN! And if a free room comes along with it great.....

    Jilly, I think you'll be impressed w/ Pallazo. Those are some of my favorite restaurants on the Strip and I've always found the rooms there to be in great shape. They also seem to get a good amount of celebs in the high limit areas so maybe you'll get a good run-in.
     
  15. Tellafriend

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    I just returned from Aria's penthouse. I saw where it was being "charged" or comped to me at a rate of $700 per night which I found too high. Certainly it was nice. But that was too high.

    As for the orgininal poster's question, it won't work. They are looking for muc more than you are willing to put into action to get what you want.
     
  16. Webby 1961

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    Listen to what Shifter told you. The point is to win, yes, but they did not sink 12 BILLION into Citycenter to wurry about $10,000 cash coming in the front doors. They have various players who can do that per hand for 10-12 hours each day if they wanted to. I wish you all of the luck in the world, but, honestly, why spend $10k chasing an overpriced $700 suite? We just left Aria last week and watched a man play Crazy 4 Poker at $5000 per spot (4 spots) for over 3 hours. He signed 3 markers for $180,000 while he was there and walked away with zilch. In the world of high-rollers, ( no disrespect intended) 10K is a guppy, not a whale. Go to LV...enjoy yourself.....pay for a suite if that's what you want to stay in....hopefully, you will win $$$$$$. If not, check with a host upon leaving and see what they can do for you. Good Luck!
     
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    If you do this, make sure to toke the dealer in front of the pit boss as much as possible and be a friendly and likeable guy. This will go a long way towards him rating you favorably.
     
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