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Aria cage wants my SS#

Discussion in 'LV Strip Hotels & Casinos' started by dotcomdewd, Nov 18, 2013.

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  1. dotcomdewd

    dotcomdewd Newbie

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    So the last time I was at Aria I cashed in my chips and she said " we need your social" . I said "ok, what do you need it for ?" And she said " I can't tell you that, we just need it". I can only assume it's for tax reasons (which I don't even want to think about right now) but does anyone know for sure why they want it?
     
  2. jdvegas

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    How many chips? There are all kinds of reporting and anti-money laundering regulations based on the size of the transaction.
     
  3. redsoxmom5

    redsoxmom5 Low-Roller

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    I'd be really alarmed if they asked for your ss# and couldn't tell you why
     
  4. sweetcanadian

    sweetcanadian High-Roller

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    This, in all actuality i think by law they would have to tell you why they want it. I know for places doing credit screen checks they can't legally ask for it, it would just expedite things but not sure about casino cages.
     
  5. paperposter

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    yes for tax reasons i belive when you cash over 10 grand and it doesnt have to be at one time it triggers something.

    im sure others can chime in .ive had it happen to me and thats what i was told
     
  6. 2VegasNuts

    2VegasNuts High-Roller

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    Only happened to me me once in 2001. Over $10k cashed in. Nowadays I ask for $1k chips or less and cash them in slowly.
     
  7. UKFanatic

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    Its probably because the employee at the cashiers cage didn't know why either.

    Its not really a tax issue. Total transactions over a certain amount require disclosure to the government as a way to prevent fraud and/or money laundering. I have given my number to the casinos. No big deal. Didn't impact my taxes and nobody has stolen my identity
     
  8. Kickin

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    Its for currency reporting requirements, not tax reasons. It doesn't have to be $10k+ either, they are supposed to keep track of smaller amounts like $3k in a Multiple Transactions Log (MTL) that may add up to $10k+ within 24 hours, in which case they'll file a CTR. Once you provide it the first time, they never ask again from my experience, they'll just ask for your players card or ID since its already in the system.

    Its hit or miss though depending on the diligence of the cashier, sometimes for the same or similar amounts they'll ask for my card, sometimes they won't, at the same casino.
     
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    kboltwkreations Low-Roller

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    I have been asked as smaller casinos (Ruidoso mostly) for my SS or players number when cashing in anything over 1K...Im pretty sure its just to keep up with how much money and chips are changing hands, not tax reasons.
    Never been asked at the cage in Vegas though, but I rarely cash everything in at once.
     
  10. fugsworth

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    She probably needed it for a SAR (suspicious activity report). Unlike the CTR, which has a reporting threshold of $10k/day and they are required to advise you of, the SAR exists to report any "suspicious" transaction, i.e. structuring or money laundering, and they're legally forbidden from telling you about it.
     
  11. Way2fast

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    I am thoroughly familiar with the anti-money laudering rules and reporting requirements. Kickin has it 100% correct. Anything over $3k (sometimes less depending on the cashier) SHOULD trigger the need to identify the customer (players card or SSN) for the MTL.
     
  12. 2VegasNuts

    2VegasNuts High-Roller

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    Thanks! Is there any reason to not bring up all your chips at once?
     
  13. Malibugolfer

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    kickin has it exactly right.
    I learned this several years ago while playing blackjack at Wynn HL.
    The pit came up to me and asked for my social. I was a bit put off and concerned and he actually handed me a business card sized explanation. I felt like I was getting Mirandized.
     
  14. UKFanatic

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    No good reason. I know some players that don't want to cash it all at once because they think they are somehow representing a bigger loss to the casino (and thus impacting their comps). Those people are incorrect, but if it makes them feel better, go for it
     
  15. Kickin

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    If you're doing that to avoid a CTR being filed its called structuring and it can trigger them filing a Suspicious Activity Report (SAR) which you'd rather not want. A CTR is not a big deal unless you're actually doing something illegal. I don't like having my name attached to something unnecessarily any more than the next guy but you'd rather have a 100% chance of your name on a CTR than a small chance of it on an SAR, which by definition implies something suspicious.

    You can check out the numbers on page 16 of this link and see that structuring is the biggest reason SARs are filed at casinos: http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/rp/files/GamingIndustry508March2012.pdf

    Also, if you are below $10k for the day you shouldn't care either way. The MTL is just an internal document they use to keep track over 24 hours in case you go over $10k, which would trigger the CTR. Otherwise its just disregarded anyway.
     
  16. jaybert

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    I had a friend who needed to give his social before they would reprint his players card. He lost over $10k the previous night (from cash) and guessing they put a hold on his players card until that info was entered. I'm not sure what would have happened if he sat down before this and tried to buy-in more. My guess is they wouldn't let him play until they got the info, but who knows.

    He have them the info and he was good to go.
     
  17. UKFanatic

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    I saw that happen at the Bellagio HL earlier this year. Guy refused to give them a players card or any kind of ID and the supervisor refused to let him play
     
  18. jdvegas

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    Correct. Once your reach over $10K transaction, they will refuse to let you play unless/until you provide SS#.

    Also, if they do end up creating a SAR, they are literally prevented by law from telling you. It can get a bit awkward if you start asking questions about why they need ID and can indeed result in odd answers such as "i can't tell you why we need your ID".

    Below $10K they will often lead with a SS# request, but will accept ID (i.e., drivers license, passport, etc).
     
  19. dotcomdewd

    dotcomdewd Newbie

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    It was about 14k in chips and that's probably why they asked. Thanks for enlightening me. She also said I needed to provide my players card to show that I actually won the chips. I have no problem giving up my number but at least give me some answer why you need it :)
     
  20. IWannaBeInVegas

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    It's title 31. If one refuses to provide the info when required they won't be able to play and any winnings they have will not be cashed out making the chips worthless. The surveillance department will get your photo and through facial rec they will have you blocked, basically one walks in and it sets off a trigger and you are watched until you leave. If you try to cash out they make a phone call and you are blocked
     
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