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Are your Vegas opinions more significant than you think?

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by sco5123, Oct 2, 2014.

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  1. sco5123

    sco5123 VIP Whale

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    Businesses (and the like) are impacted more today by the average person's opinion, considering the vast array of "scoring" sights like yelp, tripadvisor, etc.

    VMB is a widely visited Vegas forum, and even board member's decisions are impacted by someone else's experience with a business sometimes (especially through Trip Reports).

    What are your thoughts on the significance of an opinion? Is your main goal of voicing your opinions to impact businesses, educate consumers, both (or other reasons)? Can a few individuals impact the masses? Does it take a "mass" opinion to impact businesses?
     
  2. nickle

    nickle Low-Roller

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    Very interesting question!
    I would guess that the opinions of VMBers has some impact on businesses (casinos, Limo companies and other LV businesses), however small, just because there are at least 2 Hosts that post on VMB. We have no idea how many other casual readers might also be associated with those businesses.
     
  3. NickyDim

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    Take the Casino host from the Plaza that's a member. Our opinions certainly mattered and influenced decisions on their gaming floor by bringing back some full pay VP. I know I run a NHL hockey message board and a few years ago we were very popular with the fans and the management invited us into their offices to discuss many areas of the club (non-player related) because we were the 'average fan' types, and they wanted to know if their ideas for new promos would interest us before they became public. It was very exciting to meet the GM and coaches, even some NHL execs would contact us for various ideas and help in designing their new searchable website. They surf the web just like us.

    So my answer is most definitely yes.
     
  4. raraavis

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    personally, i voice my opinion on VMB to help other members inquiring about things i have tried or places i have stayed. i am aiming to make their vacation better. i really just like giving my experience and letting them weigh it with everyone else's, then they can decide for themselves. i appreciate all the info, tips, and suggestions i receive on this board, so i want to pay it back. on the other hand, i leave reviews on sites like yelp and trip advisor to impact business. of course, i am also offering my experience, and people can decide for themselves. but if it's a bad review i am leaving, i am hoping the business sees it, and it elicits good changes. if it's a good review, i hope the business sees it and rewards/praises their employees for it.
     
  5. ruralhipster

    ruralhipster Low-Roller

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    I think especially if there is a large negative consensus about a business it impacts my decision. Oddly I also tend to avoid business with huge amounts of 5/5 ratings especially restaurants, I'd rather have a good meal now than a great meal that I have to wait an hour for.
     
  6. Breeze147

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    I used to post opinions (both here and Trip Advisor) about places that suck or that ripped me off. I was very detailed and told the honest facts. I came to find out that every place has it's fans and they would denigrate me for being a weirdo.

    So now I don't do that anymore.
     
  7. merlin

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    I dont think "our" opinions have much impact at all, sorry. If they did we wouldn't have 6/5 BJ, resort fee's, long hauling, etc.

    I see the Plaza was mentioned as changing some of their policies perhaps because of comment's here, sure they're changing, but we've been talking about them for years, they're starting to change now because they're getting desperate, likely on the verge of failing. Having said that it doesn't diminish VMB in any way, we are still a place for people who like vegas and want to share their stories, tips, comments.
     
  8. bardolator

    bardolator Lifelong Low Roller

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    My goal is to share information. Businesses read our stuff but they are going to do what they do. Posts like ours are just things to deal with.

    Today's business model places little emphasis on customer opinions, other than possibly to pay bloggers to ridicule people who make negative posts. In the casino business, my opinion would have even less impact than elsewhere because of the corporate mindset ushered in by Gary Loveman and his acolytes Richard Mirman and others. They believe most of us are morons who can't tell a good game from a bad one and whose loyalty may be purchased with wampum and line cuts. Those who are not morons (in their opinion) or are promiscuous (by which they mean we gamble in other casinos) are to be ignored.

    The Plaza is a rare exception. The last one I know of was Main Street Station early in the past decade, which added some full pay games mostly because of the efforts of one LVA poster (Sue Casey). But she did it in person, and just shared it on the LVA site.
     
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  9. breanna61

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    I post reviews on TA, both good and bad. The goal is to share my experience and when I give an establishment a poor rating....to see if the establishment will respond. I look for responses from establishments when reading reviews as well. It is surprising how many don't address reviews on TA.
     
  10. Tammy58

    Tammy58 Frugal Slot Jockey

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    My main reason for posting is to educate newbies that Vegas is for everyone. There are days where I feel like all the TRs are for the same handful of hotels...mostly high end. I like people to know that you can go to Vegas and NOT stay at expensive hotels, dine at expensive restaurants, drink themselves under the table and a host of other things that I don't do. There are hotels, dining, shows, things to do for every budget. I do tend to play devils advocate especially on boards like TA where you are told that you are WRONG if you don't stay, eat, do A....I know how those types of posts made/make me feel in the early years and I hate to see it happen to others. So now I play big mouth for the underdogs. I guess it is my lifes calling :thumbsup:
     
  11. PSM

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    My reasons for posting are pretty selfish: basically, I enjoy talking about the hobbies and subjects I'm passionate about. I also enjoy reading about them. Self-gratification is my primary reason for posting reviews, giving advice, telling my stories, etc. It makes me happy to talk and read about Las Vegas.

    If that participation ends up helping someone else with their planning or impacting a business' decision then that's great, but those are more the results than the motivations. As far as whether or not I think my opinions are important and used, I'd say most of the time not really but occasionally it might happen.

    Once in my hometown, there was a big debate going about how some land that was part of a local park would be used. Many important people wanted to add more soccer fields (we already had a few at that park) and others wanted baseball fields (we already had a few of those, too). We also had a playground, basketball courts, tennis courts, workout area, and a walking/running track.

    The debate raged on for a while, so I submitted an opinion piece to our local paper. I pointed out how we already had a bunch of soccer fields and baseball fields and most things a small town needed, but a large number of kids who were into skateboarding and rollerblading and all that had no where to do it. They were constantly getting kicked out of parking lots and in trouble for loitering and all of that, so wouldn't a public skate park make a lot more sense? It was like the town was just begging for these kids to get in trouble since there was nowhere for them to partake in the one physical form of exercise and fun they wanted to have.

    I included some more (basic) reasoning and arguments in the piece - including some of the challenges that would be presented (namely insurance and liability) - and, shockingly, they ended up building a skate park. No one else had even mentioned it up to that point but obviously enough people agreed with me to make it happen once the idea was presented. It was a good feeling knowing that my opinion counted in that particular case. It doesn't seem to happen too often.
     
  12. leo21

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    My experience on TA is that the casinos are watching the reviews and forums and using that info against folks when they can. When people brag too much about easy upgrades, they try to push more charges. When people brag too much about easy early check in, they add fees. Easy drinks at the VP bar? All kinds of crazy rules to get a compdrink. Do they respond in kind to things we hate? Not really. Resort fees aside, there are pet peeves we all have and they don't address them ever.

    So the only posts I care about being noticed now are ones when we praise the smaller and/or forgotten places. I don't think I am the only one that hates being steered to the same 10 popular restaurants and hotels to deal with crappy lines and service that takes you for granted.
     
  13. Aces and Eights

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    Since Vegas now makes a majority of its money on non-gambling type entertainment, many people who go there don't really gamble. Half of the people I know that love going there don't even gamble a dollar. Many do their proverbial gambling of $20 to $100, I only know a couple of people who may gamble in excess of a $1k. The ones that don't really gamble that much (less than $200), at least not many of them, aren't really VMB members. So to make my long story short, I don't think that VMB members have much of an influence on the Las Vegas retail or restaurant businesses because there are so many others who partake in these other entertainment activities, maybe even more so than gamblers. And if they search for reviews, they probably are more likely to look at Yelp and Trip Advisor. Since I am not a business person, I could be totally off-base, but this is how I see it.

    I add posts because I like people to find out about things they may not have known if only to make their experiences in Vegas more enjoyable. I love to hear about other's exploits in Vegas, and I try to give something back. Either that or perhaps I just like to hear myself talk (in writing). LOL
     
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  14. PSM

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    I'm curious about the percentage of people who currently visit Vegas to gamble (as their primary motivation for going there) as compared to each previous decade going back to the 60's.
     
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    I came to learn more about Vegas and how to enrich my experiences there. Even though I had already visited several times I knew there was more to it. I appreciate all of the opinions shared by everyone here and I'm grateful for this board especially the friendliness of it. There are some other boards out there that are not so friendly. So the opinions here definitely matter to me and I'm happy for the opportunity to contribute an opinion on a topic I have experience with.


    My primary reason for visiting is gambling! I'm a low to mid roller but it is tons of fun to me :wave:
     
  16. Electroguy563

    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    Interesting. I never thought my opinions impacted anything or anybody because I didn't expect them to. I just share my opinions because either someone asked for it or I just wanted to share it.

    And opinions never influenced me as to whether to try this or try that. It is, after all, just opinions.
     
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    Good points re casinos using info against pkayers. I completely agree re small, forgotten places and many of my reviews are for those establishments.
     
  18. Jameezy

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    Yeah actually what you guys post in trip reports and vegas threads in general really impacts my decisions with things.

    I could go on yelp and look at someones review on Vegas but they could be a vegas hater for all i know. Maybe they are a first timer that just doesn't get it.

    This forum is where all the passionate Vegas people are. If multiple people on this forum were to say a certain thing about a hotel then i have to take it to heart .

    Wouldn't surprise me if these Vegas hotels had the same thought process i have
     
  19. smartone

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    Pretty much how I feel too. I just like the interaction with the primary subject being Las Vegas and the various things surrounding it. I have learned an awful lot here and indeed have been persuaded to try some things that have been suggested.
     
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