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Another worst place list that includes LV

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by Joe, Jan 5, 2014.

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  1. Joe

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    Yea, I'm getting old, I'm reading grandparents.com :poke:

    After moving to Vegas and then moving back, we can attest to the poor healthcare access. We personally knew 2 different people who had months long waits to see a specialist.

    http://www.grandparents.com/money-and-work/retirement/worst-places-to-retire

    Surprised they didn't mention air & water quality.

    Moving to Vegas to retire sounds like such a great plan, I know it did for me. I only post this as food for thought before you plan the big move.
     
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  2. captainron62

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    You have given me pause for sure. A year ago we were all set to buy a condo just outside of the city. After reading you thoughts and looking a little further into things we have held off. I also tell everyone to visit the city in Jan or Feb before selecting it as your retirement spot. I have made it a point the last three years to vac in the winter and it gave me a whole different perspective on LV as a retirement destination. The winds are a game changer for me in the winter!!
     
  3. smartone

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    This may incite some negative responses, but frankly, I'd just as soon see Nevada off many (not all) people's retirement lists. Many retirement folks move to a place to escape taxes and basically be left alone. I get it, they've lived their lives with all the baggage that goes along with it and retirement is their time. However, I've seen first hand what a very heavy influx of retirees can do to a community. It has the potential to throw the community "out of balance". They refuse to vote for school bonds or infrastructure improvements. They're all for the community subsidizing the public golf course , which they use, to keep those rates low, but will fight you tooth and nail to do the same thing for the pools, which they use far less... unless it's the aquacize class they like and then of course that needs to be free.

    I get it, they don't have kids in schools and they don't feel like they have much of a stake in the community's future, so why should they help pay for it. They're smart, protective and they consistently vote. They flee the communities they helped build and grow and move to places with an entirely different mentality. A healthy senior population is very much an asset to a community, but in my mind an area with an overly senior population is not a place I want to live.

    I'm 55, so not some "whipper-snapper who hasn't seen what you've seen on done what you've done" and my comments reflect primarily what seniors who've moved here have told me. Also to be fair, I used the words "many, not all"... as we've benefited immensely from some seniors who came here and got involved on boards, commissions or even just volunteering at the library, etc.

    My beef is not with seniors, but seniors who look for a "place to die, as opposed to a place to live" and I know that sounds very harsh.
     
  4. marcianofan

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    I think that was well said smartone. I take best and worst lists, like I take online review sites and opinion polls , with a BIG grain of salt. The lists so often depend on how the questions are asked, who they're asking, the sample size they're asking, when they're asking and on and on..... My daughter goes to unlv and she has a few health problems. She has received nothing short of excellent care while in Las Vegas. A few years ago I got pretty sick on vacation and had to spend 2 nights at valley hospital. I also got excellent care. That's only 2 examples but they were positive ones as far as Vegas health care goes so make of that what you will...
     
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    Vegas was never on my list of places to retire to as in my mind it was just exchanging the city problems I have now in the Houston area with another big city's problems (traffic, crime, gangs). Also, I'm TIRED of summer lasting 8 months long.....and Vegas weather is a lot like Houston....well, without the humidity and rainfall.

    So, we did the next best thing.....yep, retired to the Reno area. Just closed on our house there a few weeks ago and will be moving in the spring. No state income taxes (just like Texas) and a small town feel. Four seasons, access to gambling whenever I want, great fishing and close to wine country.

    Sorry smartone......I'm already your neighbor....not sure how I'll vote on all those bonds....a couple years younger than you though. :)
     
  6. smartone

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    I don't know much about Houston, but you're gonna LOVE the quality of life here!
    Welcome, welcome!!!!
     
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    Although I hate the 5 hour flight not sure I would ever move to Vegas. Having limited access makes it that more special. :peace:
     
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    Health Care in Vegas (and Nevada)

    In my opinion, the lawyers are out of control in Vegas (Look at all the ATTORNEY advertisements along the freeway and TV commercials). I can actually name 3 law firms based on media saturation and freeway advertisements. I cannot name that many at home in So Cal.

    As a result, many physicians are reluctant to deal with high risk patients.

    My last trip, a BJ dealer was telling me about her sister that was a "high risk pregnancy" (she was diabetic). No OB would take her on as a patient and as a result, she was driving to California for her pre natal care.
     
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    Read This

    Listen did you read the article on aol today 7 worst places to retire Las Veg was number 2 hard to understand but it said high crime hard to get a hood doctor wow
     
  10. chitownjohn

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    Per the study: "Worse, though, is locals’ poor access to doctors. Only 69.7 percent of Las Vegans have a usual source of health care, which is much lower than the national average at 82.4 percent, according to a study by the Commonwealth Fund."

    Does this mean that quality health care doesn't exist or does it mean there are a lot of people in Vegas w/o health insurance and therefore don't have a regular doctor and bypass preventive care? Metrics w/o proper explanation can be dectptive.
     
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    I'm very content right here

    If you ask most people from the South or Midwest if they would move here they would be horrified,nothing against the people there but I feel the same way about moving to most other states.
    Property taxes are fairly high here and car insurance is also,but you do have access to world class medical care in PHL and NYC if you need it.
    We put about 5-6 million a year into a town of about 6 thousand people without putting one child in the schools and collectively do a lot of volunteer work and support the fire and first aid with a lot of donations.The cops love us here,they never had it so good.
    A lot of people here do the Florida residency thing for tax purposes,but these are wealthy folks who can afford two homes. Six months here ,six down there.
     
  12. C0usineddie

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    miami made the list too. guess they didnt take the time to notice the retirees there.
     
  13. ken2v

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    I'll not make a blanket condemnation of retirees or retirement-ghetto land-uses. I've lived in and/or covered numerous jurisdictions where bluehairs have supported ballot-box school measures, and of course in many states basic school funding is carved right out of property tax …


    As for Vegas living, I only can comment as one who thought about it and then rejected the notion. Certainly scads of people find it a great place to live, just as there are unhappy people in beautiful sunny San Diego.

    But facts are facts when it comes to some of the fundamental shortcomings in the social (schools, crime, quality of life, employment, health) fabric of Las Vegas, just as there are other places. Where it becomes a "problem" with Vegas is that so many people look at relocation through the same rose-tinted glasses with which they seem to think that casinos and hosts and the gambling gods love them. There is a fundamental disconnect between the reality of Vegas and the Vegas so many people see. It's the Vegas Addiction Factor.
     
  14. Sin City Sinner

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    The unfortunate thing about these types of lists and articles is it would not be hard to write an article with a totally opposing view. What I mean is that of 2 million (?) people living in Vegas there is bound to be a lot of miserable folks there, and a lot of people who wouldn't live anywhere else. It's all going to come down to your own personal experiences and no article is going to be able to tell you what your experiences are going to include.

    There has been mention of healthcare on this thread, and just as an example, I live in the southern United States right now. I used to live in the NorthWest and up there I had plenty of friends across the border in BC. I went up to Canada on a fairly regular basis and on two separate occasions had to visit the hospital there. I had an easy go of things when I went up there, and I have not heard a negative thing about the health care system up there from any of my friends. Meanwhile, down here when the subject of the ACA brings up other forms of healthcare people are quick to spout off about negative things they've read about the Canadian Health Care system, yet in real life practice and experience I've never seen any examples of that.

    I digress, but I only brought that up as an example of how misleading articles can be.

    When I was in Vegas this last time, my wife and I were looking at possibly making the move out there. We toured around some really nice apartment complexes. 2 of them were in Vegas, 1 was in Henderson. We went to go check out another one, but on our way out there we got the overall feeling that we might get shot if we stopped, but again 3 out of the 4 places we got a good feeling about. Meanwhile I talked to a bunch of people who had moved there, opinions ranged from "honestly, I can't wait till I save enough to move" to "This was the greatest decision I ever made."

    We tabled the notion of moving there for now, actually heading back to the North West (staying in Vegas for a few days on the move though) but we haven't given up on it, and I do think we'll one day land in Vegas for at least a few years.
     
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    Ultimately, that's it in a nutshell. Everyone has a unique experience no matter how the average or mean might flow. But in the big picture, we only can speak as to mean or average, in the aggregate.

    My point is that Vegas is the #1 place in the nation that people are more inclined to flock to w/o really giving it the requisite thought.
     
  16. Viva Las Vegas

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    My brother has lived there for about 2 1/2 years now and says he enjoys it. He lives in Summerlin, his property taxes are low (w/ $0 income tax), he bought a foreclosed home for less than half what it would cost here (Chicago).

    I'm sure there are good practicing doctors, but you may not be able to find good specialists depending on what medical conditions you develop (Vegas Rex documented his issues and frequent visits to LA for medical treatment on his blog).

    I've about had it with Chicago weather and taxes (highest national sales tax, second in property tax and the income taxes will continue to increase to hold of state bankruptcy). I'm looking for a milder climate and right now I'm considering eastern Tennessee (near Knoxville). You want to be near a decent medical campus hospital system to access quality health care in a smaller town setting.

    I could consider Vegas on a short term winter basis, but I'd likely be bored after 1-2 months. Vegas is very car-centric and crime is high. I like changes in seasons - just not as extreme as -17 F in Chicago, I like water and forests/trees. The desert is not very attractive to me on a permanent basis.
     
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    Let's remember to keep politics off the board. If anyone wants to discuss it with each other via a PM or OFF THE BOARD, please do so.

    Thanks!
     
  18. marcianofan

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    Funny someone living in Chicago talking about how bad crime is in Las Vegas, which crimes are we talking about, murder?????
     
  19. Viva Las Vegas

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    Want to leave Chicago in retirement to a safer community than Chicago or Las Vegas. Per FBI statistics, Chicago is slightly higher in violent crime, about the same in property crime.

    My city ward (about 54,000 people live in each ward) had 2 murders in 2012, 0 in 2011 and 0 in 2010. Other areas are not as fortunate.

    Would rather resettle in a community below the national average, not among the highest across the nation.
     
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