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Another Brutality Incident At Harrah's AC

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Hotels & Casinos' started by RockyBalboa, Sep 10, 2014.

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  1. RockyBalboa

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    She looks dangerous.
     
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    As always, no one really knows what happened. My main complaint is why AC police officers are working at Harrahs, especially if the Mayor of AC banned such actions from happening.
     
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    Ehhh... not the best case for "brutality" there - check out the video.

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    yea, just seems like another drunk that kept asking for it.
     
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    Where did this sense of entitlement come from that people have these days? People, including this woman in the video don't think they have to listen to authority anymore. She was flopping all over the place. Do what you are told and if innocent, things will work out. Agree with me or not, ask any cop how far behavior like this compared to being cooperative goes.
     
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    Harrahs' security people are not the "authorities". They think they can detain people when no crime has been committed which is a violation of civil rights. Why do you think a security guard at Harrah's has the authority to tell me what to do or detain me when no crime has been committed? It's private property and they can kick me out but this back room stuff is bullshit. Kick me out or call the cops on me. Playing cops themselves is what causes the problems. My sense of entitlement comes from the Constitution. Sticking up for and exercising your Constitutional rights is not entitlement.

    Here is some legalese to explain.

    When a police officer wishes to question you, his actions fall under one of three areas: Contact, Detention, or Arrest. A Contact with you must be consensual. A police officer has not yet formulated enough suspicion of any wrong-doing to elevate this beyond a mere, "May I ask you a few questions?" You may be questioned, but you have the right to refuse to answer, and the right to walk away from a Contact. An example of a Contact: A police officer walking his beat sees you and does not recognize you from the area. He may be curious as to why you are present, especially if it is a time of day when no one is usually about. However, you have done nothing to arouse his suspicion, so to satisfy his curiosity, he may Contact you and ask you some questions. A Detention is a non-consensual temporary denial of liberty. A police officer must have "reasonable suspicion" that

    you are about to commit a crime
    you are in the act of committing a crime, or
    you have committed a crime

    in order to Detain you. The officer has the authority to temporarily deny you the ability to leave while he investigates his suspicion. You may still refuse to answer any questions, but you have no right to leave. The officer must use a reasonable amount of time to investigate his suspicions until the detention elevates to the level of "probable cause" to arrest you. If the officer fails to determine there is probable cause for an Arrest, he must release you in a reasonable amount of time. The courts have determined that what is a reasonable amount of time is relative to the criminal activity being investigated. If you attempt to leave a detention without the permission of the police officer, you may be subject to Arrest. During a Detention, absent certain circumstances, a police officer may not move you to another location or the Detention becomes a de facto Arrest.

    An example of a Detention: A police officer walking his beat sees you and does not recognize you from the area. He observes you for several minutes as you walk back and forth in front of a liquor store that is just about to close. You are wearing a red ballcap and the officer has taken two liquor store robbery reports this month about a person wearing a red ballcap entering the store just before closing time. You appear agitated and nervous, looking up and down the street. A police cruiser drives by and you duck into an alcove, then reemerge when the cruiser leaves. The officer determines that your actions are consistent enough with those of a robbery suspect that he believes he has reasonable suspicion to Detain you and investigate whether you are about to rob this liquor store.
     
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    Bravo.

    Allowing 'authority' to overstep their bounds empowers them to do it more often and more egregiously and the only way to combat it is to stand up for your rights, sometimes in front of a judge. No matter how drunk or rude the woman was, there is no reason to be as physical as they were, regardless of the circumstances. Security guards are not deputized and have no legal rights to detain or arrest anyone. THE most that they could do is escort you out of the place. What that security guard did amounts to assault.

    I hope they sue the crap out of Harrahs, because after a dozen well documented cases this appears to be standard operating procedure.
     
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    Im sure she was asked to leave, plenty of times. If she had left, so would have security. I dont see how two guards carrying out a drunk women who was a complete ass causing a scene and refusing to leave is considered assault. I honestly wish it was legal to physically throw these types of people out.
     
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    I don't see were it says in the article she was unruly or a complete ass, or even that she was first asked to leave. Where did you read that?

    As was the case with the guy with the pacemaker and the assault on him by 4 guards and also assaulted his wife and daughter, he never made physical contact with any employee, as in this case http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/Suit_Poker_player_and_family_draw_beating_at_hands_of_Harrahs_AC_security.html

    These are overzealous guards given carte blanc by harrahs. I'm not saying some patrons don't become unruly, but the level of physical restraint is expected when an assailant is committing a felony, not complaining about bottle service or a key that doesn't work.
     
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    He may have been rough with her but that was not a vicious or brutal assault.

    What level of restraint would have been more appropriate with a drunk uncooperative person? I will say there should have been 1 or 2 female guards restraing her rather than a large male.

    But if youre getting kicked out at some point you should ignore you ego do as youre asked and take up your grievances at another time. If youre not fighting resisting or causing a scene no one would need to use force on you.

    And im not sure what the law is in AC but in CA a guard or regular citizen has legal right to arrest and detain someone if theyre seen committing a misdemeanor. Its called citizens arrest.

    Maybe shell get 50k for her embarrassment but from what I saw in the video that was in no way shape or form a brutal beating.

    - - - Updated - - -

    THIS IS BRUTALITY www.cbsnews.com/news/video-calif-officer-beating-woman-on-roadside/
     
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    I triple dog dare you to hold up a copy of the constitution and walk toward a cop that has drawn his sidearm and told you to stop for the 10th time. Wait, I bet he only says it 3 times, tops.
     
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    Are you saying that cops shoot unarmed people if they don't stop?

    Man armed with copy of Constitution shot by police for failing to stop. Police are unable to provide specific and articulable facts that caused the office to want to stop the victim.
     
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    My point is lost on you. My example was true, that constitution you hold so high in regard wont help you once your brains are splattered all over the sidewalk. It WILL help you if you listen to what he says and cooperate. Think about it. That is exactly the sense of entitlement I am referring to. People these days don't think they have to listen to authority anymore. I served in the military, you do what you are told and life goes a lot smoother for you. And yes, cops shoot unarmed people all the time. Go to Ferguson Missouri right now. I bet you all the tea in China that situation would have worked itself out a million times better had someone listened to the officers demands. The police aren't turning this world into a police state, the people that think they are above the law are.
     
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    You talk about an entitlement attitude people have but not about the police, no one made them into gods. There's an entitlement attitude there if they think they can abuse their powers. The fact that they are granted some authoritative powers makes it even more important to hold their feet to the flame when they abuse those powers. And I think you should study some actual police states if you think they came about because people refused to drop to their knees and follow orders from police and not because police were given unchecked powers. You say cops shoot unarmed people all the time as if it should just be accepted that the shootings are justified. Unless you know some facts about the Ferguson case that haven't been released I think the suggestion that he should have just "listened to the officers demands" is moot.
     
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    I never said it should be accepted, nor did I say it was right. My point is people think they can do whatever they please anymore. There is the sense of entitlement that most people think they they have. Have you seen some of the videos people are posting on youtube being basically jackasses to cops because they think they can? This guy in this video, I mean really? This honestly could have gotten ugly, fast.

    [video=youtube;w-WMn_zHCVo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-WMn_zHCVo[/video]
     
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    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    In my opinion any checkpoint is unconstitutional.

    The Michigan Supreme Court had found sobriety roadblocks to be a violation of the Fourth Amendment. However, by a 6-3 decision in Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz (1990), the United States Supreme Court found properly conducted sobriety checkpoints to be constitutional.

    I disagree with the SCOTUS ruling. I see you and I disagree. We can agree to disagree.
     
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