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Video Poker A Video Poker Primer with Bartop Listings and Better Nickel Options!

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by tringlomane, Aug 25, 2014.

  1. tringlomane

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    Introduction

    Looking for video poker value on the Vegas strip? The convenience of a bartender fixing up your favorite libations? Well, you've come to the right place! This thread is designed to help you find some of the best games available in your favorite casinos in Vegas. Better games will lead to better long-term results and winning more is more fun!

    Before getting into the details, first off, I want everyone to be aware of a great reference for the “best of the best” video poker games in Vegas and the rest of the country.

    It's the VPFree2 database, and can be found at http://www.vpfree2.com

    VPFree2 typically lists all available games in the casino that are 99%+ return or higher. Unfortunately, on the strip in particular, it's difficult to find 99%+ games at bartops or at the nickel and quarter levels on the casino floor. So this thread is an attempt to list some of the best options in the casino for bartops, and machines on the floor for various denominations. The cheapest casino floor choices will be listed at the end of this thread some of which are beyond VPFree2's scope. The base unit will be dimes or less in that list.


    How to Read a Paytable


    Before listing these, however, let's take a moment to discuss how to read a paytable, and what kind of paytables you should look for different game variants.

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    For non-wild paytables, the two most important payouts to look at are the “full house” and “flush” payouts highlighted by the red box. These are typically the only values changed for most non-wild games. So the higher numbers you can find for a particular game is better than lower numbers.

    The game in the picture is an example of “full pay” Bonus Poker Deluxe. “Full Pay” means the highest payouts you will typically find in a casino. In the case of Bonus Poker Deluxe, this is when the full house pays 9 for 1 and the flush pays 6 for 1. These are the same full house/flush payouts seen in “full pay” Jacks or Better except that 2 pair pays 2 for 1, and 4 of a kinds only pay 25 for 1. Any reduction of the full house or flush by one “notch” costs the player about 1.1% in return, so 8/6 Bonus Deluxe pays about 1.1% worse than 9/6 does. Each game variant typically adjusts four of a kind payouts and two pair payouts to adjust the variance of each game.


    Lower variance (less win/loss swing) games (2 pair pays 2 for 1) in order of increasing variance:

    Jacks or Better
    Bonus Poker


    Higher variance (more win/loss swing) games (2 pair pays 1 for 1) in order of increasing variance:

    Double Bonus
    Bonus Poker Deluxe
    Double Double Bonus
    Triple Bonus Plus
    Triple Double Bonus

    Now looking at the Royal Flush line, you'll see that a higher payout is given for Royal Flush when 5 credits are wagered. Instead of 1250 for 5, you get 4000 for 5 instead. This is a major draw to play video poker, giving a jackpot element for hitting a Royal. To get the maximum return percentage, you must bet 5 credits. If you play anywhere from 1 to 4 credits, the overall return of the game will be reduced by about 1.25%, with a much smaller “big win” opportunity.


    Other General Considerations


    Many bars will also expect you to bet max quarters at least for “free” drinks and some casinos and/or bartenders can be strict on that. Wynn/Encore does NOT comp drinks at the bar, PERIOD. Also Aria's bartenders are supposed to wait 30 minutes between comp drinks. There also has been a report that Monte Carlo's bartenders are supposed to wait 15 min. Mirage's Lobby Bar and Cosmo's Bond Bar are experimenting with a "voucher system" which offer you free drinks based on amount played.

    If you don't want to bet max for shoestring budget considerations, I suggest just betting one credit. This also works well when the bartender isn't looking. ;) NEVER bet 3 or 4 credits, because at that point, you lose less per hand by betting max. Also never bet less than max when playing “Triple Double Bonus” because “4 Aces with a 2,3,4” will pay 400 for 1 instead of 800 for 1 with a max bet.

    For Deuces Wild games, the paytable isn't as easy to decipher. Any of the following payouts may change: Wild Royal Flush/Five of a Kind/Straight Flush/Four of a Kind/Full House/Flush. The best paytable you'll likely find on the Strip is called “Airport Deuces” and pays back 98.91% with the following paytable 25/15/9/4/4/3 and a max bet.

    There are few popular “gimmick” games that help add to the game's return. Super Times Pay (STP), Double Super Times Pay (DSTP), and Ultimate X (UX). In STP/DSTP, you pay an extra 1 or 2 credits per hand for the chance of being rewarded random multipliers. STP typically increases a game's return by 0.28% and DSTP by 0.50%. In UX, a player pays 5 extra credits per hand to award multipliers for “winning” hands. This adds roughly 1% to the game's return, when played properly. The strategy is multiplier dependent however, and more detailed strategies may be found here: http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/ultimate-x/

    Also, some bars offer progressives on Royal Flushes or other hands. For Royal Flushes, for every $500 extra for the royal flush at quarters ($2000 at dollars) adds about a “notch” to the game (1.1%).


    Strategy Help


    What about regular video poker strategies? Here is a free strategy generator that can be used given any paytable values: http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/calculator/ As mentioned previously, Ultimate X strategies can be found here: http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/ultimate-x/



    Here are two common strategies useful for bartops: 8/5 JoB, and 8/5 DDB

    8/5 JoB (can be used for Bonus Poker as well):
    http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-74-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-2-d-3-d-4-d-5-d-8-d-25-d-50-d-800/

    8/5 DDB (can be used for Triple Bonus Plus as well):
    http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-57-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-1-d-3-d-4-d-5-d-8-d-50-d-80-d-160-d-160-d-400-d-50-d-800/

    How do you use the strategy? Simply pick the choice highest on the list that applies to your hand.

    Does that strategy seem too much for you? Look at this one that works well for Jacks or Better as well as Bonus Poker.

    http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/jacks-or-better/9-6/simple/

    Know 9/6 Jacks or Better strategy well, but want to learn other games quicker?

    Read this post: Major Strategy Deviations from Jacks or Better

    DISCLAIMER: Using electronic devices for VP strategies (including smartphones) is technically illegal in Nevada and most other states. Printed strategies are legal in Nevada and most other states.


    Paytable Listings for Common Bartop Games and General Bartop Notes


    Now I am going to list the paytables that you should be looking for. I'm going also use a general rating system. *** means “full pay” for non-wild games, ** means 1 “notch” below “full pay”, and * means 2 “notches” below “full pay”. I do not recommend playing any game not worthy of getting at least one star, and the more stars the better! “Full pay” is generally over 99%, and each “notch” typically costs the player 1.1% in non-wild games. For example, 9/6 Jacks or Better has a 99.54% max return, but 8/5 Jacks or Better (2 notches lower) has a 97.30% max return. Deuces Wild has 6 common paytables above 96.5%. The highest two are not readily available on the Strip though.

    Bonus Poker – BP – 8/5*** (99.17%), 7/5** (98.01%), 6/5* (96.87%)

    Bonus Poker Deluxe – BPD – 9/6*** (99.64%), 8/6** (98.49%), 8/5* (97.40%)

    Bonus Deuces Wild -- Bonus DW -- (straight flush through flush varies): 9/4/4/3*** (99.45%), 13/4/4/3** (98.80%), 12/4/4/3** (98.28%), 10/4/3/3* (97.36%)

    Deuces Wild – DW – 25/15/9/5/3/2***** (100.76%), 25/16/10/4/4/3**** (99.73%), 25/15/9/4/4/3*** (98.91%), 20/12/10/4/4/3** (97.58%), 20/12/9/4/4/3 (97.06%), 25/16/13/4/3/2* (96.77%)

    Double Bonus (Note: Straights MUST pay 5 for 1 and NOT 4 for 1) – DB – 10/7/5**** (100.17%), 9/7/5*** (99.11%), 9/6/5** (97.81%)

    Double Double Bonus – DDB – 9/6*** (98.98%), 9/5** (97.87%), 8/5* (96.79%)

    Jacks or Better – JoB – 9/6*** (99.54%), 9/5** (98.45%), 8/6** (98.39%), 8/5* (97.30%)

    Triple Bonus Plus – TB+ – 9/5*** (99.80%), 8/5** (98.73%), 7/5* (97.67%)

    Triple Double Bonus – TDB – 9/7*** (99.58%), 9/6** (98.15%), 9/5* (97.02%)

    General Notes: Jacks or Better, even though often recommended by many people for new players to play, is RARELY a good game on the Strip. Much more often, Bonus Poker is the better game available. A JoB game needs to be two “notches” higher than Bonus Poker to be a better game (e.g. 9/6 JoB > 8/5 Bonus, but 7/5 Bonus > 8/5 JoB) Strategies are nearly identical for both games.

    Note about CET properties: In my experience, Game Kings at CET bars are virtually the same. I haven't checked every property, but all but a few I have checked have the same paytables. The best two games at most CET Game King bartops are in following order. I wouldn't recommend playing these if avoidable.

    30/6/5 BP (96.18%), 7/5 DDB (95.71%)

    I'm going to generally put these in all the CET entries, but if this is incorrect at a particular property, let me know. Only exceptions I have currently found: Rio Sports Bar/Shutters, TAG Lounge at Linq

    prog. = progressive


    *** Once again this list is from my own personal knowledge, what I've read in TRs, and supplemented by listings found in VPFree2. VPFree2 is a great resource for the best paying games. Anyone serious about video poker should look at their expansive database: http://www.vpfree2.com/ ***

    Current List of Strip Bartop Availability

    Aria:
    Sports Bar/Gem Bar (possibly downgraded): 25c-50c: 6/5 BP* 25/16/13/4/3/2/2 DW*; $1-$2: 9/5 JoB**, 7/5 BP**, 9/6/5 DB**, 8/5 DDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW*; $5: 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 8/6 BPD**, 9/5 JoB**, 9/6 TDB*, 9/5 DDB**, 20/12/9/4/4/3 DW*

    Alibi (updated 2/14/16): $1-$2: 7/5 BP**, 9/6/5 DB**, 8/5 BPD*, 8/5 JoB*, 9/5 TDB*, 8/5 DDB**, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW*; $5: 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 8/6 BPD**, 9/5 JoB**, 9/6 TDB*, 9/5 DDB**, 20/12/9/4/4/3 DW* (Lift may be same paytables)

    Bally's:
    Sully's Bar: All Game Kings have terrible paytables... avoid...best games 30/6/5 Bonus (96.18%), 7/5 DDB
    Casino Bar: All Game Kings have terrible paytables... avoid...best games 30/6/5 Bonus (96.18%), 7/5 DDB; 25c-50c: 6/5 BP* (w/STP) All Star II units

    Bellagio (updated Feb. 2016 thanks Vegas Dave and macker69):
    Baccarat Bar: $1 (all prog.) 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 8/5 JoB, 20/12/9/4/4/3 DW*
    Sportbook Bar: 25c: 7/5BP** Spin Poker on SuperStar (6/5 BP* at 5-10c); 6/5 BP* w/STP Single line: 9/6 JoB*** at $5, 9/5 DDB** (also w/STP); New Game Kings: 25c: 7/5 DDB w/indiv. prog.

    Caesars Palace:
    All Game Kings have terrible paytables... avoid...best games 30/6/5 Bonus (96.18%), 7/5 DDB
    Sportsbook Bar: 25c: 6/5 BP* w/STP on All Star II

    Casino Royale:
    25c-$5: 7/5 BP**, 9/6/5 DB** (4 way prog. at 25c), 6/5 Super Aces** (97.78%), 7/5 TB+*, 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW**, 8/5 BPD*, 9/5 TDB*

    Circus Circus:
    Sports Bar: 25c Prog: 6/5 Super DDB* (97.69%), 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW*; 50c: 7/5 Super DDB** (98.61%), 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW**, 8/5 BPD*, 35/6/5 BP* (97.36%), 8/5 JoB*; $1 Prog: 8/5 Super DDB*** (99.69%), 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 8/6 BPD**, 9/5 JoB**, 7/5 BP**
    West Bar: Same as Sports Bar EXCEPT...9/5 DDB** at 25c

    Cosmopolitan:
    Bond/Chandlier: 25c Prog-50c: 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW**; $1 (non-Prog. only): 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/9/4/4/3 DW*
    Queue Bar: 25c-$1(prog.): 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB*; 25-50c: 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW* $1 (non-Prog.: 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW**, 8/5 BPD*, 8/5 JoB*, 9/5 TDB*
    High Limit: $5-$25: 9/6 JoB***, 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 8/6 BPD**, 9/6 TDB**
    Clique: 25c: 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW ; $1: 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 8/5 JoB*; $1-2 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/9/4/4/3 DW**, 8/5 BPD*, 8/5 JoB*, 9/5 TDB* $5: 8/5 BP***, 9/7/* DB, 9/6 DDB***, 8/6 BPD**, 9/5 JoB**, 9/6 TDB**, 12/10 DW
    Sports Book: 25c-50c: 6/5 Super DDB*, 97.68% Dbl Bonus Deuces, 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW**; $1-$2: 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/9/4/4/3 DW*, 6/5 Super DDB*, 97.68% Dbl Bonus Deuces, 9/5 TDB*; $5-$10: 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB, 98.61% DB Deuces**, 7/5 Super DDB**, 9/5 JoB, 9/6 TDB**, 12/10 DW**

    Cromwell:
    All Bars: All Game Kings have terrible paytables... avoid...best games 30/6/5 Bonus (96.18%), 7/5 DDB

    Excalibur:
    Lobby Bar: 25c: 6/5 BP*

    Flamingo:
    Bugsy's Bar: All Game Kings have terrible paytables... avoid...best games 30/6/5 Bonus (96.18%), 7/5 DDB; 25c-50c 6/5 BP* (w/STP) All Star II units

    Harrah's:
    All Game Kings have terrible paytables... avoid...best games 30/6/5 Bonus (96.18%), 7/5 DDB; 25c-50c: 6/5 Super DDB* (97.69%) Spin Poker, 6/5 BP* Spin Poker, 6/5 BP* (w/STP) All Star II units; 25c-50c: 8/5 DDB* w/STP far right unit on bar, older units

    LINQ Casino:
    Catalyst: All Game Kings have terrible paytables... avoid...best games 30/6/5 Bonus (96.18%), 7/5 DDB; 25c-50c: 6/5 Super Aces** (97.78%) Spin Poker, 6/5 BP* (w/STP), 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW* Spin Poker All Star II units
    3535: All Game Kings have terrible paytables... avoid...best games 30/6/5 Bonus (96.18%), 7/5 DDB
    TAG Lounge (as of 11/21/15): 25c-$5: 7/5 TB+, 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB; 25c-50c: 6/5 Super Aces** (97.78%) Spin Poker, 6/5 BP* (w/STP), 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW* Spin Poker All Star II units

    Lucky Dragon: 25c-$1: 30/8/5 Bonus** (98.48%), 9/5 JoB**

    Luxor (out of date?? Updates needed):
    Aurora and Playbar: 25c: 6/5 BP*, 7/5 DDB (6 way prog. at Aurora...likely best game) $1-$2 (may be downgraded): 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW**, 8/5 BPD*, 8/5 JoB*
    Centra Bar: 25c (prog.): 30/6/5 BP, 7/5 DDB (playable w/high prog)
    High Limit Bar: $1-$10: 9/7 TDB***, 9/6 JoB***, 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***

    Mandalay Bay (out of date??? Updates needed):
    Bar near eyecandy: 25c: 6/5 BP* $1: 7/5 BP**, 8/5 DDB*, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW**
    Sports Bar: $1-5: 7/5 BP**, 8/5 DDB*, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW** ($1 only)
    Mizuya Lounge: 25c: 20/12/9/4/4/3 DW*, 6/5 BP* $1-$5: 7/5 BP**, 8/5 DDB*, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW** ($1 only), 8/5 JoB*

    MGM Grand (updates needed):
    Whiskey Down: 25c-$5: 6/5 BP*
    Losers: 25c: 6/5 BP*
    Casino Bar: 25c-$1: 6/5 BP*

    Mirage:
    Sports Bar: 25c: 30 (all quads)/6/5 BP (96.18%), 7/5 DDB (95.71%) Sports Bar (10-coin prog, can be playable with high progressives); $1 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**
    Lobby Bar: 25c-50c (avoid): best games 30/6/5 BP, 7/5 DDB; $1: 9/6 TDB**, 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW**, 8/5 JoB*; $2-$5: 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW**; $5 only: 9/6 JoB***, 8/5 BP***

    Monte Carlo (last update 4/23/16):
    Both Bars: 25c-50c: 6/5 BP*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW*; $1 7/5 BP* 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 8/5 JoB, 12/9 DW (Ignite Lounge has a quarter progressive)

    O'Shea's: All Game Kings have terrible paytables... avoid...best games 30/6/5 Bonus (96.18%), 7/5 DDB


    New York New York (Lobby bar update 2/1/16):
    Lobby Bar: 25c: 6/5 BP
    Times Square: $5: 9/6 JoB***, 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***
    Center Bar (Bally units): 25c-50c: 8/5 DDB*; $1-$2: 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 8/5 BPD*, 10/4/3/3 Bonus DW*, 8/5 JoB*; $5: 9/6 JoB***, 9/6 DDB***, 8/6 BPD***, 12/4/3/3 Bonus DW**, 9/6/5 DB**
    Center Bar (IGT units): 25c-50c: 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW*; $1-$2: 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/4/4/3 DW**, 8/5 JoB*, 6/5 BP*; $5: 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***

    Palazzo:
    Champagne Bar: 25c-$5: 8/5 JoB*, 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB*
    Fusion: 25c-$5: 6/5 Super DB* (96.87%), 30/6/5 Bonus (96.18%), 7/5 DDB

    Paris:
    All Game Kings have terrible paytables... avoid...best games 30/6/5 Bonus (96.18%), 7/5 DDB

    Peppermill Lounge: 25c-$1: 8/5 BP***

    Planet Hollywood:
    Heart Bar: All Game Kings have terrible paytables... avoid...best games 30/6/5 Bonus (96.18%), 7/5 DDB
    The Sporting Lounge: All Game Kings have terrible paytables... avoid...best games 30/6/5 Bonus (96.18%), 7/5 DDB
    Extra Lounge: All Game Kings have terrible paytables... avoid...best games 30/6/5 Bonus (96.18%), 7/5 DDB

    Riviera: RIP

    SLS Las Vegas:
    Both Bars: 25c: 7/5 Super Aces*** (98.85%), 8/5 DDB* (Prog.); 50c: 7/5 Super Aces**, 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 12/10/4/4/3 DW**; $1 (all prog. except Super Aces): 7/5 Super Aces***, 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**; $2-$5: 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 7/5 Super Aces***

    Stratosphere : 25c, $1: 7/5 BP**, 8/5 JoB* (prog.), 8/5 DDB* (prog.)

    Treasure Island: 25c-50c: 6/5 BP*, 6/5 SDB*
    $1 prog: 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 8/5 JoB*, 9/5 TDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW*

    Tropicana:
    Lucky's/Trop Lounge: 25c-50c: 6/5 BP*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW*; $1: 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 7/5 TB+* (Lucky's only), 8/5 JoB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW*; $2-$5: 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW* (20/12/10/4/4/3 DW** at $5)

    Venetian:
    Sportsbook: 25c-$2: 6/5 Super DB* (96.87%) $5: 7/5 Super DB** (97.77%), 8/5 DDB*
    Bellini (Main) Bar: 25c-$2: 6/5 BP*, 6/5 Super DB* (96.87%) $5: 7/5 Super DB** (97.77%), 6/5* BP, 8/5 DDB*
    Bourbon Room: 25c-$10: 8/5 BPD*,10/4/3/3 BDW*, 8/5 JoB*, 8/5 DDB+* (97.25%), 6/5 ACE$ (97.11%), 9/5 TDB*, 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW*

    Current List of Downtown Bartop Availability


    Binion's:
    Bar near cafe: 25c-50c: 7/5 Bonus Aces & Faces** (98.10%), 7/5 BP**, 9/6/5 DB**, 8/5 DDB*; $1: 30/8/5 BP** (98.48%), 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/10/4/4/3/2 DW**

    California:
    Main St. Bar: 25c prog-50c: 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 7/5 TB+*, 8/5 BPD*, 10/4/3/3 BDW*, 8/5 JoB*; $1: 9/6 JoB***, 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***, 13/4/3/3 BDW**, 8/5 TB+**, 8/6 BPD**; Superstar units: 25c STP: 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW*
    San Fran Pub and Dave's: 25c prog-50c: 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 10/4/3/3 BDW*; $1: 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***, 13/4/3/3 BDW**

    The D:
    Vue Bar: 25c: 8/5 BP*** (3-way prog.), 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/9/4/4/3 DW*, 8/5 DDB* (4-way prog.)
    Long Bar: 25c-$5 (all prog.): 8/6 BPD**, 7/5 Ace$ (98.25%), 9/5 DDB** (not 25c), 9/6/5 DB** (not 25c), 7/5 TB+*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW* (not 25c)

    Downtown Grand:
    Furnace Bar: 25c-$2: 9/6DDB*** (not at 25c), 8/6 BPD**, 9/6 TDB**, 7/5 BP**, 9/6/5 DB**, 10/4/3/3 Bonus DW*, 20/12/9/4/4/3 DW*, 8/5 DDB* (multi-way prog.) (25c only)

    El Cortez:
    Lobby Bar/Bar near Keno: 25c-$1: 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 8/6 BPD**....6/5 DDB (multi-way progressive)
    Parlour Bar: 50c-$5: 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***

    Four Queens:
    All Bars: 25c: 9/7/5*** DB, 9/6 DDB*** (prog. on quads), 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW*** (prog. on royal)
    Bar near Fremont St. and Bar near back of casino: 25c: 7/5 BP**

    Fremont:
    Main Bar: 25c-$5: 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2/2 DW*
    Filament: 25c: 97.68% Double Bonus DW, 6/5 BP*
    Bar by Sportsbook: 25c, $1: 9/5 JoB** (suited prog.), 7/5 BP** (suited prog.
    Golden Gate:
    25c: 8/6 BPD** (prog.) 50c: 9/5 DDB*** (prog.); $1: 8/6 BPD** (prog.)

    Golden Nugget:
    Race and Sports Book bar/International Beer Bar: 25c: 6/5 BP*
    Claude's Bar?? Possibly 7/5 BP**?

    Las Vegas Club: RIP

    Main Street Station:
    Boar's Head Bar: 25c: 9/6 JoB***, 9/7/5 DB***; 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB** (prog.); $1: 9/5 DDB**; Superstar units: same game king games. 25c STP: 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW*; 25c-$1 3/5/10 Play: 9/5 DDB**, 8/5 BPD*, 8/5 JoB*, 6/5 BP*

    Plaza:
    Omaha Bar: 25c-$1: 9/6 BPD***, 9/6 JoB***, 9/7/5 DB***, 99.07% Deuces and Joker***, 9/6 DDB*** (not at 25c), 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***. 25c: 7/5 DDB (6-way progressive)

    Bar near Sportsbook: 25c: 8/5 JoB*


    Current List of Near Off-Strip Bartop Availability

    Aces and Ales on Tanaya Way:
    25c: 6/5 BP*; 50c-$2c: 8/5 JoB*, 6/5 ACE$* (97.11%), 6/5 BP*

    Eastside Cannery: 25c: 9/5 JoB**

    Ellis Island:
    Center Bar: 25c-$1: 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 7/5 BP**, 9/6/5 DB**, 7/5 TB+*, 8/5 BPD*, 10/4/3/3 Bonus DW, 8/5 JoB*, 8/5 DDB*
    Karaoke Bar: $1-$5: 25/15/9/4/4/3*** DW

    Gold Coast:
    Island Bar: 25c: 9/5** JoB, 7/5 BP** (Suited Royal prog.); 50c-$1: 9/6 JoB***; $1 8/5 BP***
    Red Zone Bar: 25c: 9/5** JoB, 7/5 BP** (Suited Royal prog.); $1: 8/5 BP***
    South Bar: 25c: 9/5** JoB, 7/5 BP** (Suited Royal prog.)

    Green Valley Ranch:
    Sip Bar/Sportsbook Bar: 25c Prog-50c: 8/5 BP***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 8/5 BPD*, 9/5 TDB*; $1: 8/5 BP***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 9/6 DDB***, 8/6 BPD**, 9/6/5 DB**, 9/5 TDB*
    $2: 8/5 BP***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 9/6 DDB***, 13/4/3/3 Bonus DW**, 8/6 BPD**, 9/6 TDB**, 9/6/5 DB**
    Drop: 25c-50c: 7/5 BP**, 20/12/9/4/4/3 DW*, 8/5 DDB*; $1 Prog: 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW**, 10/4/3/3 Bonus DW*, 9/5 TDB*; $2-5: 8/5 BP**, 9/6 DDB***($5 only), 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW**, 8/5 BPD*, 10/4/3/3 Bonus DW*, 9/5 TDB*
    High Limit: $1-$25: 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 13/4/3/3 Bonus DW**, 8/6 BPD**, 9/6 TDB** (TDB only up to $5)

    Hard Rock:
    Peacock and Dragon Bars: $1-$10: 8/5 BP***; $5-$10: 9/7/5 DB***

    Hooters:
    Mad Onion: 25c-50c: 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 6/5 Super DDB* (97.69%), 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW**, 8/5 BPD*, 35/6/5 BP* (97.36%), 10/4/3/3 Bonus DW*, 8/5 JoB*, 9/5 TDB*; $1-2: 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 98.8% Bonus DW**, 7/5 Super DDB** (98.61%), 8/6 BPD**, 8/6 JoB**, 9/6 TDB**, 7/5 BP**
    Sportsbook Bar: 25c Prog: 9/6/5 DB**, 97.68% DB Deuces*, 8/5 BPD*, 35/6/5 BP* (97.36%), 8/5 JoB*, 20/12/9/4/4/3 DW*, 9/5 TDB*, 8/5 DDB*; 50c-$2: 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 98.61% DB Deuces**, 8/6 BPD**, 30/8/5 BP** (98.48%), 9/5 JoB**, 9/6 TDB*; Superstar Units at Bar: $1-2: 3/5/10 play and Spin Poker: 9/7/5 DB** (no SP) and 13/4/3/3 BDW
    Saloon: 25c-50c: 9/6/5 DB**, 97.68% DB Deuces*, 8/5 BPD*, 35/6/5 BP* (97.36%), 8/5 JoB*, 20/12/9/4/4/3 DW*, 9/5 TDB*, 8/5 DDB*; $1-$2: 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***

    M Resort:
    High Limit Table Game Salon Bar: 25c-$10: 8/5 BP***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 13/4/3/3 Bonus DW**, 8/6 BPD**, 9/5 JoB**, 9/6 TDB**, 9/6/5 DB** (left 3 machines only)
    M Bar: 25c-$5 (except $1 prog): 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW44***, 9/5 JoB**, 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB** (9/6 DDB*** at $2-$5), 9/6/5 DB**, 8/5 BPD*, 9/5 TDB*; $1 Prog: 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW**, 8/5 JoB*
    32 Degree Bar: 25-$5 (non. prog): 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW44***, 9/5 JoB**, 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB** (9/6 DDB*** at $2-$5), 9/6/5 DB**, 8/5 BPD*, 9/5 TDB*; 25c: 7/5 BP** (w/STP) on SuperStar
    Ravello Bar: 50c: 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW44***; $1-$5: 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW44***

    Orleans:
    Bourbon St. Lounge: 25c, $1 (both prog.): 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**
    All other bars except Mardi Gras and Bourbon St.: 25c-$1: 8/5 BP***, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**
    Mardi Gras Bar: New Superstar Units: 25c-$2: 8/5 BP***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 13/4/4/3 BDW**, 8/6 BPD**, 9/6 TDB**, 9/6/5 DB**; STP: 5-25c: 9/6/5 DB**, 6/5 BP*; 25c: 8/5 DDB*; UX: 5-25c: 6/5 BP**; Spin Poker: 5-10c: 10/4/4/3 BDW*, 6/5 BP*; 25c: 7/5 BP**, 8/5 DDB*; 3/5/10 Play: 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 13/4/4/3 BDW**, 8/6 BPD**, 9/6 TDB**, 7/5 BP**, 9/6/5 DB**

    Palace Station:
    Casino Bar: 25c(prog.): 8/5 BP***, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 8/5 BPD*, 9/5 TDB*
    Cabo Cantina: 25c-$1(prog): 6/5 BP* (7/5 BP** @$1), 8/5 DDB*
    Jack's Irish Bar: 25c(prog.): 8/5 BP***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 7/5 ACE$** (98.25%), 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 8/5 BPD*, 9/5 TDB*

    Palms:
    Sportsbook Bar: 25c: 9/5 DDB** (multiway prog. )
    Social Bar: 50c-$2 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***

    Red Rock:
    Rock's Lounge: 25c Prog-50c: 8/5 BP***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 8/5 BPD*; $1 Prog-$2: Same as 25c-50c except 9/6 DDB***
    Lucky Bar: 25c-50c: 7/5 BP**, 20/12/9/4/4/3 DW*, 8/5 DDB*; $1-$5: 8/5 BP***, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW**, 10/4/3/3 Bonus DW*, 9/5 TDB*
    Sportsbook Bar: 25c-$5: 6/5 Super DDB* (97.69%), 6/5 BP*, 6/5 Super DB* (96.87%), 8/5 DDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW*...$1 is Prog. all tables same except 7/5 DDB

    Rio:
    All Bars: 25c-$5: 7/5 TB+*, 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB*
    Shutters: 25c: 8/5 DDB* w/DSTP

    Sam's Town:
    Winchester Bar: 25c Prog: 9/7/5 DB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 7/5 BP**, 8/5 BPD*, 8/5 JoB*, 8/5 DDB*; 50c-$1: 9/6 JoB***, 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 9/5 DDB**, 8/5 BPD*
    Billy Joe's Bar: 25c, 50c, $2, $5: 7/5 BP**, 8/5 DDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW*; $1 Prog: 9/6 JoB***, 8/5 BP***, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 7/5 TB+*, 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW**, 8/5 BPD*, 10/4/3/3 Bonus DW*
    Poker Bar: Same as Billy Joe's except no $2 or $5 games

    Silver Sevens:
    All Bars: 25c (prog.), 50c-$1: 8/6 BPD**

    Silverton:
    Flare Bar: 25c prog - 50c: 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 7/5 SDB**, 8/5 BPD*, 8/5 JoB*, 20/12/9/4/4/3* DW*, 9/5 TDB*; $1-5: 8/5 BP***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 8/5 SDB**, 8/6 BPD**, 9/5 JoB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 9/5 TDB* ($1 only)
    Shady Grove Bar: 25c: 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB** (prog.), 8/5 BPD*; select machines have 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB*** at 25c-$1
    50c-$1: 8/5 BP***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW*** (50c only), 8/6 BPD**

    Skyline Casino: 25c: 9/6 DDB***

    South Point:
    Island Bar: 25c (prog.): 8/6 BPD**,7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB**, 9/6/5 DB**, 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW**; 50c-$2: 25/16/10/4/4/3 DW****, 9/6 BPD***, 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***

    Lobby Bar Super Star Units: 25c-50c: STP (3/5 Play): 8/5 BP***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 10/6/5 DB***; Ultimate X 25c-50c (3/5 Play): 9/6 DDB****, 8/6 BPD***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 9/6/5 DB***; 3/5/10 Play: 25c+ 9/6 BPD***, 9/6 JoB, 8/5 Bonus***, 9/7/5 DB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***

    All other bars: 25c-$2: 25/16/10/4/4/3 DW****, 9/6 BPD***, 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***


    Tuscany: 25c+: 7/5 BP**

    Best Games for Microrollers

    All games listed here are available for LESS than the quarter level on the floor. If you want quarters or higher on the floor, please check VPFree2 at http://www.vpfree2.com

    Note: For STP, DSTP, and Spin Poker games, they are multiline games, but lines can be adjusted to suit you while still max betting. So can 25, 50, or 100-play games. Ultimate X usually requires 3 lines minimum at 10 credits each.

    Note: Many of the new CET Game Kings have 9/5 DDB** on the floor for 25c or higher, which is not currently listed on VPFree2.

    Aria:
    5-10c: 8/5 BPD* (w/STP or DSTP; 8/6 BPD** at 25c+; rows 802, 804 and 870)


    Bellagio:
    5c-10c: 8/5 BPD*, 8/5 JoB*, 9/5 TDB*, 6/5BP* (Spin Poker w/Dream Card); 25c+: 9/5 BPD**, 9/5 JoB**, 9/6 TDB**, 7/5 BP** (SP w/Dream Card)

    Bally's
    1c: 6/5 BP* (25-play)
    5c: 6/5 Super DDB* (97.69%; 10-coin)

    California:
    5c-50c: 25/16/10/4/4/3 DW ****, 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB*** (farthest left alcove overlooking craps pit)

    Casino Royale:
    5c-10c: 35/6/5 BP* (97.36%), 8/5 DDB*; 5c: 8/5 DDB* w/STP (bartops)

    Cosmopolitan:
    1c: 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 7/5 BP** (100-play machines near CliQue and outside high limit room one near CliQue requires $1 min bet); 10c: 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB***, 7/5 BP** (same 100-plays); 5c: 6/5 BP* (w/UX and w/Double STP). 25c: 7/5 BP** w/Double STP; 5c-25c 8/5 BPD*, 8/5 JoB*, 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW* Hot Roll Poker (can bet 5 on any number of lines)

    Cromwell:


    The D:


    Ellis Island:
    5c: 9/6 JoB***, 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB***, 9/6 DDB*** (w/”Quick Quads”; 3 line minimum)

    Four Queens:
    5c-25c: 9/7/5 DB*** (quads prog.; near Chicago Brew Co.); 5c-25c: 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 9/5 JoB** (near keno)

    Flamingo:
    1c: 97% DW* (after STP 50/100-play near hotel lobby and TR desk); 5c: 6/5 BP* (w/STP)

    Gold Coast:
    5c-25c: 99.20% Loose DW*** (several banks)
    2c: 5 play Hot Roll: 6/5 Super Aces* (97.79%), 10/4/4/3 DW*, 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB*, 25/16/13/4/3/2 DW*; 5c: 3/5/10 play Hot Roll: 7/5 BP**, other paytables may be upgraded from 2c; 25c: 8/5 BP***, 9/6 DDB***, 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 7/5 Super Aces** (98.85%), 13/4/4/3 BDW**,
    5c-10c: 25/15/9/4/4/3 DW***, 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB** (up to 98.8% machines)
    5c-10c: 7/5 BP**, 9/5 DDB** select units near red zone bar

    Harrah's:
    1c-2c: 20/10/8/4/4/3* (and 5600 credit royal w/STP; 50/100-play w/STP units – 97% total); 5c-25c: 6/5 BP* (w/STP)

    Linq Casino:
    1c-2c: 20/10/8/4/4/3* (and 5600 credit royal w/STP; 50/100-play w/STP units – 97% total); 5c: 6/5 BP* (w/STP; 25-play units)

    Luxor:
    5c: 8/5 DDB* (game kings on right hand size facing walkway to Excalibur)

    Mandalay Bay:
    5c-25c: 6/5 BP* (Spin Poker w/”Dream Card”)

    MGM Grand:
    5c-25c: 6/5 BP* (w/DSTP; across from tables); 7/5 BP** (100-play w/”Quick Quads”; across from tables)

    Mirage:
    5c-25c: 6/5 BP* (w/DSTP; near hotel front desk)

    Monte Carlo:
    5c: 6/5 BP* (w/STP; 25-play units near poker room/sportsbook)

    Orleans:
    5c-25c: 99.20% Loose DW*** (near cashier); 5c: 9/7/5 DB*** (3 line prog., near keno and near Buzz'n Brushes)

    Palms:
    1c-2c: 9/6 JoB*** (50-plays to right of sportsbook)

    Planet Hollywood:
    5c-25c: 6/5 BP* (w/STP) (STP units near Planet Dailies); 25c: 9/5 JoB** High Limit room (100-play)

    Rampart: 1-10c: 6/5 BP*, 8/5 DDB* (All Star II units STP and Double STP); 2c-10c Hot Roll Poker (~97% paytables)

    Silverton:
    5c: 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB*** (100 play high limit)

    SLS Las Vegas:
    5c-25c: 7/5 BP** (w/DSTP) Stand alone Double STP machines

    Stratosphere:
    5c-10c: 6/5 BP* (w/UX); 25c: 7/5 BP** (w/UX full pay!)

    South Point:
    5c: 9/6 JoB***, 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB*** (50-play near Oyster Bar); 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB*** (100-play near hotel front desk); 5c-10c (25c is “full pay”): 7/5 BP** (w/DSTP), 9/5 DDB** (w/DSTP), 20/12/10/4/4/3 DW** (w/DSTP near Del Mar Lounge)

    Treasure Island:
    5c-25c: 7/5 BP** (w/DSTP) (Units explicitly labeled Double STP; near poker room; just outside of Seafood Shack)

    Tropicana:
    5c-50c: 8/5 BP***, 9/7/5 DB*** (near Lucky's Sportsbar); 10c-50c: 9/7/5 DB*** (high-limit room)


    Welcome to the "crack" of casino gaming!!! :wink2: :wave:
     
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  2. marksind

    marksind Low-Roller

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    Wow, that's quite a treatise! Hopefully will help get some folks into the best machine games in the casinos.

    That Loose Dueces Wild five cent machine at the D is supposedly the best odds machine in America. My wife likes to play it if she's been beaten up too much playing quarters. She's never had a royal flush on any machine, nor four dueces on a Dueces Wild machine. I sit down at that machine to play for her when she needs a brief break. I've hit four dueces on it three times, playing less than 10% of the time she has. I like that machine!
     
  3. nickle

    nickle Low-Roller

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    Thank you for saving a lot of time for us. I have just printed this post out and will take it with me next week!:thumbsup:
     
  4. Kickin

    Kickin Flea

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    Now THIS is some serious sticky worthy material. Nice work!
     
  5. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Yeah to my knowledge, it's the best paytable in America right now. I feel your wife's pain though. I've also never had a quarter royal flush or 4 Deuces while playing Deuces at quarters. Hoping to change one or both of those next week!


    Thanks. :) It's definitely what I was aiming for. I'll be trying to add to it in a couple of weeks. I want to get more details out of MGM as they vary more than CET does and I'm more of a CET loyalist, so I haven't looked very much at MGM to this point. :( After that, I'll definitely need some help to fill in some gaps and of course the occasional paytable change. Have a bad feeling this might be my last trip for awhile...:cry:
     
  6. Royal Flusher

    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    Nice job, tringlomane!:beer:
     
  7. vegas!!!!!

    vegas!!!!! Tourist

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    Great thread, I will have to study it to decide where to play in my upcoming trip
     
  8. dutchvelvet

    dutchvelvet VIP Whale

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    This is awesome.

    I'll supply info on the bartops at MB when I'm there in september.
     
  9. Bchristie1074

    Bchristie1074 Tourist

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    Fantastic info, thank you!
     
  10. Electroguy563

    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    Thank you so much for this wealth of information! This will definitely help us make sure we are playing the best games available.
     
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  11. fenway68

    fenway68 High-Roller

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    I, too, would like to add my thanks, this will save me a bit of time roaming the CET props, as I am staying with them for the first time in a long time, and will be playing there a bunch this upcoming trip, looks like i need to hone my DDB skills if I want to get best value at the bartops there...

    One question, does standard JoB strat work for Bonus Delux as well as standard BP? or is there a better strategy on WoO?
     
  12. feeltheheat

    feeltheheat Low-Roller

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    great job, tringlomane. thank you.
    this is only for VP at bars, right?
    the payouts on the main floors are different?
     
  13. Joe

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    Nice job!!!
    Just to add...the Cal has $1 9/6 DDB at all bartops.
     
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  14. seviay

    seviay High-Roller

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    Tringlo, this is epic -- even more than I could have imagined or hoped for. You could probably make money selling ads to a website that contained all of this updated info! Definitely deserving of a permanent sticky :thumbsup:
     
  15. snoopydogj

    snoopydogj Low-Roller

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    Thank you for putting this together!! Heading out in Oct. Mostly a craps player but I have been playing around the last couple trips with VP.
    I plan on doing a lot more VP this trip.

    Other than the obvious bank roll needed, there's no difference between .25 & 1.00 on the same pay tables? Do some players feel they do better on higher denomination?
     
  16. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Standard JoB strategy works pretty well. It only costs a few hundredths of a percent. So given the same full house/flush paytable, bonus deluxe is the higher return game. But the variance is a lot rougher. Some minor changes in strategy taken from DDB will help close the gap.

    1) An inside straight draw with no high cards is better than garbage.

    2) An inside straight with two high cards is better than two off suit high cards.
     
  17. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    This does mostly list bartops. Payouts on the floor are generally better. I have also listed some games below quarters on the floor, but many of those games offers quarters as well. Most strip casinos have decent listings at www.vpfree2.com for floor machines so I've avoided fully copying those.


    The percentage return would be identical, but the swings and the average loss will be about 4 times as high. Unfortunately in my own personal experience, I've done better at lower denominations than higher ones, but that's just bad luck. :(

    Thanks! But I don't think I could out do vpfree in this department. Especially considering how far I'm away from Vegas. :(
     
  18. VegasGarden

    VegasGarden Low-Roller

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    great job. Dont think I have seen so much info on the subject in a more concise fashion....... thanks Trig
     
  19. gambler

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    Wow tringlomane, what a great post! That must have taken forever to put together. Thanks for all that info!
     
  20. Wezvidz

    Wezvidz High-Roller

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    Awesome thread!!!!!! I will help keeping it updated.

    Also, why not list the Aria drink policy (1 per 30 min) at the Sports Bar that about half the bartenders enforce in the same spot you tell about the Wynn not comping. That's important info.