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400+ PGA members nuked by Dick's Sporting Goods

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Chat' started by ken2v, Jul 25, 2014.

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  1. ken2v

    ken2v This Space For Rent

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    Man, this mass layoff really has the golf world buzzing. I guess when an outfit offers the latest "best clubs ever" only six months after previously offering the newest "best clubs ever," who needs PGA of America folks on staff to help players?
     
  2. Snidely

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    The only Pings irons for sale at my local DIcks are K15. My "new" 2011 irons came in yesterday. For sure they'd be better than my old irons from 2007. Hard to tell as Mr. Shankanopolis came to visit. One of my friends is the golf guy at a local Sports Authority. He knows what he's doing and he's got a game, too. His sales goals are ridiculous. Something like $300 per hour and his store is in the same shopping center as Golf Galaxy. There is a Golfsmith near my new workplace and they just let you hit away in bays with the launch monitors. Something they won't let you do at Golf Galaxy. I've been to two Golfsmiths and at both stores the workers there seemed a little slow or stoned or something. Golf clubs seem way overpriced to me. Those new Callaway Apex are beautiful clubs but I'm not dropping $1000 on them.

    This is the first I knew that the golf guys at Dicks were PGA members. In my dealings with them, they never seemed that knowledgeable.
     
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    Dick's. From my dealings with them I can only conclude that they are.
     
  4. ken2v

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    Not sure. Dick's has regular folks, too. But a telling development and just another in the larger sea swell challenging the game.

    If you have sticks from the past several years there is nothing coming out now that will be any better. OEMs have been so close to or at the limits for a while so the "monumental" breakthroughs they come out with yearly or more ridiculously twice a year are incremental at best and grinding to a halt; well, not the marketing side. And kinda ironic that after years of turning 7 irons into 5 irons to fake extra distance now the mantra is loft?!?

    Not a lot of Dick's around here, Golfsmithers haven't exactly excited me. Luckily in So Cal the Roger Dunn in Santa Ana has OEM staffers from many of the manus. And for a relative pittance one can drive to, say, Huntington Beach, and have a date at Cleveland Golf's headquarters.
     
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    I hate to hear about anybody losing their jobs be it golf pros,casino workers or whoever. As far as golf pros go ,they know that business has it's ups and downs , a friend of mine made it up thru the ranks to a head pros job ,but he told me when he was staring out ,basically he couldnt even think about being a golf pro unless his wife had a really good job. I know several guys who were asst. pros for a few years and are back selling insurance or something else.
     
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    I heard this on ESPN the other day. ken2v what are your thoughts on the future of the game as ESPN painted a bleak outlook.
     
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    The guy at the local Dick's used to be the club pro at the base where I usually play. Ran the whole operation. I dealt with him many times both at leisure and making repairs to course facilities for work. His wife (very sexy) also worked in the same organization as me. The very first time I ever saw him, on the range, I said to myself "That guy has a great swing. He should be a pro." And then I found out he WAS the club pro. Funny.
     
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    There's a lot of hand-wringing -- and a lot of it is based on factual concerns -- because a lot of people let the expectations simply get too large. Golf never was going to be a mass-appeal game from the aspect of participation. Here is where a lot of stakeholders erred as a result:

    1. Ely Callaway broke the mold not just with Big Bertha but with the IPO and the start of a production cycle that became more sizzle than steak.

    2. Most every big golf OEM followed suit, and no one but no one went more ape-shit on churning out "better" stuff before the paint had dried on the previous "best" stuff than TaylorMade. This bubble is about to burst. Consumers are confused, mad, fewer in number.

    3. Developers built way too many golf courses as a result of misreading the market and the demand.

    4. The so-called Tiger Effect had no sustaining coat tails ... beyond amazing advertising dollars which is why TV contract and purses exploded. While eyes on sets made lots of people rich, it did not put feet on golf courses.

    5. Time, dollars and results. Golf is expensive, it is time-consuming and it is damned hard. All conspire to deflect folks who thought they might like to take it up and push out occasional players. And look at the family unit, work demands, competing leisure pursuits. We didn't need a calendar to set up play dates as a kid. Our parents weren't shuffling us to six different organized school/play/sports activities daily. We gathered in the street and played ball for hours, kids with access to a course hit balls all day long, played when they were allowed. Put it all together and unless you are an avid player, who has time (or the money) for an activity that takes 4-5 hours to do, plus practice and all the trappings?

    6. The Old Guys who run the game make it look petty, silly. They go to war over how a person can hold a putter? They are petrified that someone is going to destroy the scoring record at Merion so they put fences around equipment innovation that do little to constrain the 1% of truly accomplished players who need constraint but make it harder for John Q. It's cute to run PSAs with Eastwood scowling at the King but taking even 40 minutes out of a round does nothing for the mitigating factors in #5 above.

    That is some of the factors.

    Golf will survive. It won't revert to niche status -- a wise friend said "niche in sports is fly-fishing." It won't remotely approach mass participation like, say, AYSO. Golf has millions and millions of core adherents, representing a very high end demographic, and that hasn't changed over time. The market -- in all aspects -- just needs to come back to the number.
     
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    Golf is too hard and too expensive, never understood the thinking of building these new courses and making them "challenging", people say "oh that course is real challenging, trouble all over(water, out of bounds, real bunkers)". I dont know alot of people that find that fun, we want to play moderately easy courses where we dont have to cheat on every other whole to avoid shooting 100+.

    Had the day off on thursday and went out as a single at a local course, caught up with a foursome and then another single joined me, turns out he used to live in downtown chicago(expensive city), he had very nice clubs, and said he only plays a few times a year. This guy appeared to be well off and could play anywhere, yet he was at an easy course paying $17 for 18 holes, he said he liked it and would be back(was his 1st time there).

    The fact that we could walk up without a tee time and get on right away says alot about the state of golf, the fact both me and him were there says alot too. Do you really need golf pro's at the golf store? probably not.
     
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    My local muni used to be a zoo. No tee times, corruption and the good old boy network. Now, there's tee times and no more zoo. It's quite nice to be able to stroll in at 4pm after work and tee right off. Of course, one wonders what happened to all the people that used to play. I bowl too. Very similar downturns in the sports. As the equipment sales exploded and innovated, less and less people participated.
     
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    During the go-go 80's and 90's bowling dropped like a rock with the newly so-called white collar "yuppies' taking up golf as a pastime that was more in tuned with business and a better lifestyle. Did you ever hear a business guy say I'm entertaining important clients,they want to go bowling. Nothing against bowling and bowlers,but a lot of alleys have closed in recent years,even the Four Seasons Alleys that The Jersey Boys named themselves after is long gone. In the community I live at the golf course has about 500 full and associate members,the bowling league ,maybe 50 or so..
     
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