Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by crd, Jan 15, 2013.
Does it exist in Vegas, for a beginner to get a feel for the game?
Sure, the best way to find it is to look for a fifty or 100 play machine and only play one line.
Sure, most casino's on the strip have penny VP. It's generally for up to 100 hands at a time though. If you can't find penny VP, there is plenty of nickel VP that can be played one hand at a time, one credit at a time. Good luck.
Thanks for the replies.
I have seen single-play penny machines at the Pioneer in Laughlin if you are ever down that way. I was shocked the first time I saw such a low denomination for a single-hand machine. You'd probably make a profit off of your comped drinks playing this
Well the comped drinks i did figure into the maths lol, i suppose a 1c bartop is out of the question.
I did actually go to Laughlin and indeed in the Pioneer a couple of years ago, great feel the place had.
Yes, no penny or nickel bartops. In fact, sometimes a $.25 one is hard to find.
That shows that only the Palms has penny VP JOB, and no strip hotel has nickel.
Looks like it's even tough to find a strip casino doing .25 JOB VP these days.
Vegasvette was talking about the 50 and 100 play machines. All the casinos have a couple of those machines and in most the minimum credit amount is 1 cent... so you could elect to play a single hand for one to five credits.
On Fremont Street a few of the casinos have the standard video poker for as low as a nickle per credit.
Personally, I am thinking that "to get a feel for the game" one should still go with a 25 cent machine and play 5 credits per hand... yes, thats $1.25 per hand but if you start off with a couple of twenties in the machine and play it through you should get a very good feel for the game, how it uses money, what the return is like. Just playing the game at 5 cents per hand (a 1c 50 or 100 play VP machine at one hand for 5 credits per hand) probably won't feel much like "real money" and won't be much of a proper gauge for how it affects bankroll if you buy in for $5-10 in to that when you would normally buy in to a 25 cent VP machine with $20-100
Four Queens VP
I learned VP strategy by playing the nickel JOB stand-alone machines at Four Queens downtown. They are known for having great VP paytables on all denominations.
By playing max bet ($0.25/spin) I could make $20 last for a long time (even as a beginner). Also recommend getting their players card (Royal) as I did pretty well accumulating comps even at that micro level.
Trust me, once you get comfortable playing nickel VP you will graduate very quickly to quarter level and up, playing at the bar and other games like DDB. Enjoy!
The VPFree search tool is something that's referenced by many people on this site as a great source of data for machine locations. I couldn't find any such penny machines in their db.
Adjust the search criteria to:
JoB All Pay Tables
1c Any # of Lines Standard
That turns up one listing for 50 play 1c/2c machines @ Palms.
Changing to 5c adds a few single play - 50 play machines, but all off strip.
Changing to 10c shows some single play - 10 play machines, most off strip (except Palms).
Changing to 25c, the only strip locations are Hooters, NYNY (though no MLife points), Luxor, Venetian, Bills & Slots A Fun. Most of these are single play, and it's a very small selection of machines.
Fascinating, i sure am going to hunt out those machines in 4 Queens, thanks everyone for the advice.
If you want to learn video poker for cheap, I can't say enough good things about WinPoker. It'll notify you when you misplay and show you the exact expected return for every possible play of a hand. It also lets you input a hand for analysis. And it can be configured for any ruleset out there.
CRD ... The Four Queens downtown has 8 upright machines, right in front of the live Keno counter ... and those machines all have single-line, full-pay 9/6 JOB for as low as a nickel. That would be a good place to "practice".
I guessing that the one penny machines that folks are talking about have lower than full pay tables and so they would not appear in the inventory of the VP FreeDatabase. Here is a note on their site.
"vpFREE2 has 13 unique pay tables for the Jacks or Better (aka: JoB) video poker game. Of these, vpFREE2 considers 5 games "good" or "playable", under typical circumstances, with a return of at least 99%, including 9/6/90 JoB and JoB (FP). At least those 5 games may appear in the casino pages. Other, lower returning variants may also appear if they are "progressive" or are the best games in the casino. Unfortunately, there are no commonly found variations of JoB with a return of at least 100%. "
I'd be curious to know if the Palms machine mentioned in VP Free, a 9/6 variety, allows as little as a one cent bet. If so, it would be ideal, and while it is not on the strip, it is easily accessible from the strip using the shuttle from Bill's or a CET shuttle to get close and then just crossing the street, or using the 202 city bus.
It seems to me that if these machines take small bets, they could be a place to start and then bets could be increased as the game felt better.
I agree that a tutor is a fine way to learn this game.
Also, just print out a strategy sheet and take it with you There is one on the Wizard of Ods site that is simple and can be printed out so that you can look up the correct plays as you play. Playing slow and looking up hands might be a better alternative to playing so low that the wins don't feel like anything much.
There is a simple strategy and an intermediate strategy here
Thanks, hows the cocktail service there?
Also thanks to everyone else.
Thanks for pointing that out! Still, odd that they wouldn't list the others and specifically tell you to avoid them.
Lots of work goes into finding these and keeping up with the shifting of machines. Much of it is volunteer. Sometimes they get behind. The task of keeping track of all video poker would be pretty overwhelming. Finding pay tables to avoid is pretty easy, anyway. They are everywhere.
The usefulness of the tool is to map out where to look for the good games.
In this case, the low stakes may have the OP caring less about the pay table. At a penny a pull, the low EV established by the pay table is balanced by the value of free drinks, even if the entertainment utility value is not figured into the formula.
I played penny VP at the Cosmo believe it or not. It was a 50 or 100 play machine but as others have pointed out, you can always play just one line. Cocktail service was great, even though I was just getting water because of my raging hangover. Don't remember what the paytable was but then I didn't really care at 5 cents a spin.
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