A new "attack" on porn slappers

My last trip, it was myself, my fiance, my brother and my sis in law on an elevator at Ballys. We were on the 20 somethingth floor on our way down, and elevator stopped and three ladies in their 60s stepped on and once the door shut, I said to them "have you ladies ever been interested in owning a timeshare?" You should have seen the looks on their faces. I then told them I was only joking, and that I was there on vacation, and they all laughed their asses off. Had I waited about another minute to tell them I was kidding, I think they would have beat me with their purses

 

They should remove all porn slappers and replace them with the actual girls.

Now need to take the card and call someone, just take the girl. At least you know what you are getting.

 

I'm down with that

 

BEST suggestion ever on this board!!!

 

Of course most people would still be thinking they need to get the "trash" off the street! lol

 

Most everybody seems to ignore the biggest problem with the porn slappers. They are part of a SCAM. To me that takes them out of the "people trying to make an honest (or even semi honest) buck. I know they aren't the real scammers in the scheme but they are their pawns. What happens with the 1800callagirl type deals is that people call, pay money to the people on the phone assuming they are paying for an escort but when the girl shows up they find out that the money they paid just went to the booking service and now they have a delima: Pay the girl and be scammed out of what they paid the service or send the girl away and have the risk of a pissed off escort who knows their room number. Either way somebody is going to get ticked in this situation.

Or so I've heard

 

That's a bit like saying the biggest problem with people selling stolen merchandise on your local street corner is that they sell you stuff that's broken without telling you.

Not only is that not the "biggest problem" to most people. But as you were willing to pay the person, and thus enabling all the other problems, you really aren't likely to get a lot of sympathy.

 

I totally see what you are saying here but since nobody had yet expressed a problem with prostitusion I was going on the assumption that it wasn't being vilified in this discussion. But in my opinion, whether or not you give a pass to certain infractions (illegal gambling, speeding, escorts, bringing your own candy to the movies) scamming someone out of their hard earned money is ALWAYS frowned upon.

also I am not "willing to pay the person, and thus enabling all the other problems" as I've never gone down that road so I am also not looking for sympathy. I do however have sympathy for the poor shmucks who get scammed by these outfits. I also put most prostitutes in the "just trying to make a living" category but I don't do the same for pimps or similar moochers.

I may be too far into the political arena here. Sorry, didn't mean to go quite that far out on that limb. I guess with all the "Hookers and Blow" jokes around here I didn't expect that kind of reaction. My Bad, I'm still learning the lay of the land.

 

I don't think its about having a problem with prostitution. I don't have a particular problem with it.

What I am saying is that the people trying to do this (and many vegas visitors) don't like having flyers pushed into their hand. And they don't like walking around and having these things lying on the ground everywhere. Many of those people would be fine with prostitution (or at least consider it a low priority) as long as it wasn't in their face.

However, those people would not be handing out flyers if there weren't people willing to take them and call the numbers.

Thus, no one (among the people who dislike the porn slappers) particularly cares if the people who make the whole practice work are getting a fair shake or not. If the price on the card was the price those people paid, there would still be dudes on the street handing them out, and littered cards everywhere.

And apologies for using "you". Poorly phrased response, meant only as example not accusation,

 

ummmm don't know what Vegas you've been to ...

 

I have often thought about taking a squirt gun and every time one of them sticks an arm in my face I would squirt them. Probably just get myself in trouble I suppose.

 

Ah, we are pretty much in agreement then. I also subscribe in many cases to the "if the idiots would stop patronizing them then their business would dry up" theory. For me this applies to those idiot devices like bio-magnets, telemarketers of any kind, and panhandlers. It's strange that I still feel bad for the people who get scammed by the slappers because I usually am SOOO judgy about stupid people. You should see the aghast looks when I talk about my minimum IQ mandate :evillaugh.

 

Your post made me think of the shows and movies which shows a character daydreaming what he'd like to do to some people.

Hey, maybe we should come up with a "dream" thread that we'd like to see happen to these porn slappers. Yes, one of my more mundate dreams entailed these slappers to have to pick up all their trash.

Of course really using a squirt gun or other thing would probably not be good, the other slappers would come to the guy's aid and collectively kick the crap out of the you.

someone mentioned that the problem is people throwing the cards on the ground, but that isn't always the case. Some porn slappers were putting their cards in the chain link fence all over, when the wind blows the cards all drop to the ground, causing more trash. Other slappers leave their cards on top of newsstands and other things and they also drop to the ground.

Some people are caught unawares so when the slappers stick the cards in their face or hands they take em without knowing what they are, then when the figure it out they just drop the cards on the ground. Most of us know and avoid the slappers or don't take their cards but there are always others who are caught off guard.

As for people patronizing this service, unfortunately with the "what goes on in vegas" theme, many horny guys think they can just call up a girl to get serviced not realizing the process and how much it will cost them. they don't know what a scam it is, then it's too late when the girl comes to their room and they realize how much they will have to shell out. With the internet people get to do searches and find out what scams these things are but you still have a few people (tourists, foreigners, etc.) that get caught unawares. There still must be a number of johns using the service to keep them in business. (but then I didn't think the timeshare thing could stay afloat either with many of us knowing not to buy timeshares).

It is unfortunate that these guys are using the first amendment as their right to peddle their trash legally. I highly doubt that they can pass a law (and make it stand in the courts) to get them to pick up their trash but it might be a good try before the courts knock it down.

 

I like it. I tend to walk pretty fast and once I was walking briskly along when I hit a pack of slappers. One of them held up one of the little booklets and hit me in the chest with it, causing me to react and grab it involuntarily. Seriously. I don't think he really meant to hit me like that but he wasn't expecting someone moving as fast as I was. I tore it in half and threw it on the ground. There was much screaming and cussing (not in English) behind me but I just kept moving and didn't look back. Afterwards I was thinking; Why would they be mad when most people just throw them away anyway?. I guess they saw it as an insult.

I am tempted to intentionally take the card from the slapper, tear it in half, and slap them together in their face. Then I would place the pieces in the appropriate trash receptacle, of course.

 

The real rational way to handle any annoying sales tactic is to do your best to make it unprofitable, but not enough people are willing to bother to make it work.


For example, with telemarketers, it is a game about contact. They can only convert a certain % of calls, so they want to contact as many as they can. So if you aren't being billed by the minute and are just sitting about at home, the best thing to do is waste their time. Quick hangups help them. Set the phone down and carry about your day, and see how far they can get through their script before they will hang up (some aren't allowed to hangup without X rejections or being hung up on). Or if you have speakerphone with mute, get them going and check in every 2 or 3 minutes to say "could you explain that again?".

If everyone did that, telemarketing would have not have sufficient return.

So likewise, if you got enough vegas travellers to take as many of the cards as they could be handed, and just toss them in the nearest dumpster, it would take way more printing and handing out to get the same # of callers.

So if you can do that without wasting much time or aggravating yourself, its a great thing to do.

And its easy because you can pick up a bunch without breaking stride.

 

This would be hilarious to see them try to enforce this.

 

I have seen these slappers stick the cards into any crevice they can find. Chain link fences, stop signs, garbage can lids, trees etc. So you cant say they are off the hook for littering.

 

I have two thoughts on the matter. The first is a curiousity and confusion. How exactly is advertising as directed to the public by business protected by free speech in the US? I'm Canadian, but generally there are regulatory agencies that deal with the content and such of advertising, and licenses for advertising required depending on the location. If a business put down a tripod advertising billboard on the strip, the city could of course remove it. So why is the involvement of people being the medium of handing out paper, different and protected?

And the second is one of those dream things you'd like to see people do. I propose a monthly flash mob. Dressed to the 9's in whatever touristy gear you can find. Flood the strip around the Flamingo area with several hundred people who are there for one single reason. That reason is to take as many cards and brochures as possible, getting out their cell phones and calling the numbers to ask lots of questions. Just imagine the frustration of the business having queue times because of a 1 hour long tourist card grabbing flash mob.

 

I don't recall the exact ruling on how they beat the ban before. I do recall that part of it had to do that the ban was specifically on that business and not on the others. They may be able to ban it if they would ban all hand-billing but that means no nightclub passes, coupon books and time share hawkers. The casinos benefit from the rest so that's probably the sticking point.

 

I wonder if it would be worse if they let the casino's buy the sidewalk space immediately outside their spot. Let them be responsible for keeping it clean, impliment fines if it's not, etc. If it becomes private property, getting rid of card hawkers would be easy, while still keeping the other bits.

Of course that would probably end up with placed like Bellagio charging for fountain views.